What led to Matt Gaetz's brief nomination to be attorney general? What situation would justify President Trump openly opposing the judicial branch? And if he does, what would actually happen? Matt Gaetz may be out of Congress, but he still has deep thoughts about the new Trump administration, and a long list of reasons to be happy about the achievements of the new administration thus far. Watch ad-free on members.charliekirk.com! Get new merch at charliekirkstore.com!Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Chapter 1: What is the significance of Matt Gaetz's nomination?
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Give it up, everybody, for Matt Gaetz. So, Matt, welcome to Turning Point.
I didn't know there were this many conservatives in California. You got all of them, Charlie. I do the Matt Gaetz Show on One America News, and my producer called me and said, Matt, if you show up at the Dell Coronado tonight, you can be on the best podcast around. And I just assumed it would be with Gavin Newsom. And it's the Charlie Kirk Show.
That is true. So, Matt, what's been keeping you busy?
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Chapter 2: How is the Trump administration different from the previous one?
And we all know that instinctively, but we forgive people who do it because we say, well, they just have to. You've got to fund your campaigns somehow. And I came to the realization that if that's the way I had to fund my campaigns, I did not want this job anymore. I did not want elections to just be about who got to be valets for the same special interests.
in big pharma or big business or who wanted open borders or trade agreements that hollowed out the middle class while building up the middle kingdom. And so the fear and corruption paralyzes the place. And then there is a muscle memory to just fund everything all at once. And this would be one disagreement I have with the Trump strategy. And President
Trump's a far better strategist, so he's probably right and I'm probably wrong, but I think that we should have single subject bills that only deal with one thing at a time. And I believe that because when you do it the other way, there is no way to scrutinize what is working and what is not working, what is harmful and what is helpful.
And when we tried to put up reasonable reductions in obviously wasteful programs, there would be a block of Republican votes against us to merely maintain the structure that did not allow that type of review because they may be subject to that review eliminating some of their programs.
We had a Republican who sat down in the budget negotiations and said, I'll be for any cut so long as it's the cross the board to everything and not reviewing individual things. And I said, why? He said, well, because mine wouldn't survive that review. And that was like an acceptable answer. And so here's a tangible vote that I was aggrieved by.
You see Elon pointing out how USAID was really just a slush fund for the global left for their regime change ambitions and their social engineering ambitions. That's what USAID has largely been. Eli Crane, a terrific congressman from Arizona, put up an amendment to just cut their money in half And 141 Republicans voted against Eli Crane's amendment.
And those same people show up now and say, we love Doge, we love Elon, cut it. But when they had the chance to vote, they just voted in lockstep because of the fear and because of the corruption. Now, I tried everything to break through that. I tried shaming them. I tried altering my own behavior with donors. I fired the guy who sat in front of the building. And all of that was insufficient.
And my only hope is that courage can be contagious with President Trump and with the effort that he has put into this initiative that the members of Congress will do what is necessary. And I think the obvious first step is to take his most popular executive orders and to put them into permanent law. And if we can't get the votes, show who's voting no.
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Chapter 3: What are the challenges facing Congress today?
It's just so fantastical, their belief that these people who are a federal district court judge that nobody voted for, that no one has ever heard of, can define when America is being invaded. That is something that the president decides. And you may not like the president. We've had presidents I haven't liked. But that is solely within their purview.
And so when you've got the liberal judges engaged in the way they are, it's like trying to have a fair debate
football competition when the referee is wearing the jersey of the other team it is it is a futile exercise and so ultimately i do believe that there will there will come that there will be a standoff oh yeah and so let's just play this out though trump defies it yeah what then happens well then they will they will uh issue an order to the marshals to effectuate some enforcement of an injunction.
And those marshals work for the attorney general and ought to be told to stand down.
Yeah. And so what we're saying is it could be a serious constitutional question. They'll say it's a crisis. They already call him a dictator, right?
We'll have a whole other impeachment, but I almost missed those. I really missed the impeachments. I don't know about anyone else.
Wouldn't you agree, though, Matt, that we should do this on a topic that the people voted for overwhelmingly, where it's a clean-cut case, where it's of existential importance, and the courts, it's gone all the way up to the Supreme Court. So we've played it out. For example, we should allow the Supreme Court to at least have a chance. Would you agree? Yeah.
Sure, I don't know that we stopped the deportation while that's occurring, but I can't think of more advantageous high ground to fight on than Democrats wanting to re-import an MS-13 member from El Salvador who is a Salvadorian national. I love El Salvador. I spend a ton of time there. I'm friends with the president. I think he's one of the greatest leaders in the Western world.
The fact that the Democrats' cause du jour is to reimport Kilmar Garcia is like my favorite thing. I will do anything to help the Democrats keep Kilmar Garcia in the A block of every news story.
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Chapter 4: How does the current judicial system affect policy?
We need to start having perp walks of people that kept that border open, because I think that is the definition of high treason against a country, to allow an invasion to happen uninterrupted. One or two more. Very quickly. Sorry, Dave, I'm not... Where are we at? Where are you, Dylan? Taylor? I don't know where Taylor... Moore? Okay.
Actually, if this lasts longer than two questions, it's legally an insurrection.
All right. Yes, sir.
Good evening, Ali Al-Taha, Matt, Charlie. Pleasure meeting you for the first time. California. Our condolences. Thank you.
We've done California so much today, man. I'm sorry. What's the question?
The point I'm trying to say here, or the question that I have for you, and it really requires a strategy. Everything that we're seeing here, everything that we're witnessing, California is the line number one. How to defeat California.
I think you actually have to win people who are not activated politically now. The math problem in a state where President Trump got 42% of the vote is a very real one. But what I've kind of noticed about this place, spending a little more time here, is that it's hard to get people riled up about politics on our side when things are so wonderful.
It's like, oh, my God, I hate that the school wants one of the kids to have a litter box, but let's go surfing. It's 74 and sunny. And the other side are in this self-loathing, you know, they didn't get invited to the prom, and they've got all their personal problems, so they can just pour into politics. And I don't know how you break that.
I think that you have to have a campaign of joy that brings people together. No, I think you do. I think in a state like this, in a state like this, you've got to have something that's fun or people will not do it because there's a lot of fun things to do in this state. Right, Steve Hilton? Yeah, and the other thing is you have to hope Kamala Harris runs.
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Chapter 5: What are the implications of a Trump/SCOTUS showdown?
The number of members of Congress who have children or spouses who are registered lobbyists is astonishing to me. And it is bipartisan. The former Republican chairman of the Intelligence Committee, Richard Burr's wife and son were both lobbyists.
Could you imagine how your interests would fare if on the other side, the chairman of the Intelligence Committee's wife and son was being paid to advocate against you? And so it is through the money laundering of fake no-show jobs, kind of an old mob tactic, and then the inside information that people get.
I would suggest that you follow Quiver Quantitative on X because it shows the stock trades people make and then the committees they serve on. It's like, oh, well, this agriculture technology was just required by the EPA and you sit on the Environment Committee and you bought the stock that makes that tech and it just went up 8,000%.
It happens so frequently and the reason it is allowed is because it happens on both sides. And if we really want to achieve Charlie's vision and all of your vision to save the country... We cannot tolerate that on our side either.
Amen. Last question. Charlie, on your right. Last question of the weekend.
Hi. My name's Mandy. I live in California, but this is not a California question. Thank you for pinch-hitting tonight. What it sounds like to me is that a constipated Congress is our main problem. The president has term limits. How can we get term limits in Congress? What can we all do to push that notion forward?
Yeah, that was one of the things that we sort of demanded from McCarthy's scalp was a vote on term limits. And we knew we would lose that vote, but we thought it would be revealing to people. who cared about it and saw that Republicans were blocking it. Term limits failed in the vote of its first committee of reference upon which I served.
The person who I campaigned, two people who I campaigned very hard for and consider otherwise good members of Congress, killed the bill. Harriet Hageman, who defeated Liz Cheney in Wyoming, voted against term limits. And the member of Congress for the district you're currently sitting in, Daryl Issa, voted against term limits.
Yep. I mean, look, they'll say we have term limits. They'll say there are elections. We all know that. That's a cop-out, right? Okay, good. So, Matt, any closing thoughts about Turning Point USA and the path forward?
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