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The Checkup with Doctor Mike

Debating Dr. Jason Fung On Calories & Insulin

09 Feb 2025

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Truth-Seeking moments:Fact Check 1 - 6:36 - https://youtu.be/2d7MITbdFHwFact Check 2 - 42:05 - https://youtu.be/BClwtV79UFYFact Check 3 - 45:53 - https://youtu.be/-pjhwHTFZAkFact Check 4 - 54:16 - https://youtu.be/O0-_ml1J0NwFact Check 5 - 1:22:36 - https://youtu.be/NzoUVKSDYqcFollow Dr. Jason Fung here:https://www.doctorjasonfung.com/https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCoyL4iGArWn5Hu0V_sAhK2whttps://x.com/drjasonfung?https://www.facebook.com/jason.fung.313/I'll teach you how to become the media's go-to expert in your field. Enroll in The Professional's Media Academy now: https://www.professionalsmediaacademy.com/00:00 Intro1:27 Nephrology / Controlling Blood Sugar / Diabetes19:40 Weight Loss / Intermittent Fasting34:50 Lowering Insulin40:55 Counting Calories52:33 Set Weight Theory58:29 Hormones1:02:45 Counting Calories Part 21:21:20 Is It All About Calories?1:29:18 Which Meal Should You Skip?1:40:22 Losing Weight On Vacation1:46:38 Future Research1:51:30 Artificial SweetenersHelp us continue the fight against medical misinformation and change the world through charity by becoming a Doctor Mike Resident on Patreon where every month I donate 100% of the proceeds to the charity, organization, or cause of your choice! Residents get access to bonus content, an exclusive discord community, and many other perks for just $10 a month. Become a Resident today:https://www.patreon.com/doctormikeLet’s connect:IG: https://go.doctormikemedia.com/instagram/DMinstagramTwitter: https://go.doctormikemedia.com/twitter/DMTwitterFB: https://go.doctormikemedia.com/facebook/DMFacebookTikTok: https://go.doctormikemedia.com/tiktok/DMTikTokReddit: https://go.doctormikemedia.com/reddit/DMRedditContact Email: [email protected] Producer: Doctor MikeProduction Director and Editor: Dan OwensManaging Editor and Producer: Sam BowersEditor and Designer: Caroline WeigumEditor: Juan Carlos Zuniga* Select photos/videos provided by Getty Images *** The information in this video is not intended nor implied to be a substitute for professional medical advice, diagnosis or treatment. All content, including text, graphics, images, and information, contained in this video is for general information purposes only and does not replace a consultation with your own doctor/health professional **

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0.149 - 24.863 Dr. Jason Fung

People always say body fat equals calories in minus calories out right and that's always true but that's not the way it always works right because that assumes that the calories can go in and out of the body fat which is the storage anytime it wants but it can't right so you think about your fridge right your fridge is a store of food so you go to the grocery store you buy food you store some of it in the fridge and you eat some of it but what if there's a lock on that fridge

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25.063 - 47.211 Doctor Mike

Today we're joined by Dr. Jason Fung, a leading nephrologist and author of the best-selling book, The Obesity Code. Dr. Fung has taken the social media world by storm, igniting passionate discussion surrounding calories and their value when it comes to weight loss. His belief is that insulin and other hormones are more impactful than calories when it comes to weight management.

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47.731 - 70.756 Doctor Mike

Today, I wanted to directly discuss some of these hotly contested statements and find some common ground in this highly complex and often heated nutrition space. Turns out, it's way more complicated than I thought. So for the very first time, I'm trying a new truth-seeking approach where upon a significant point of disagreement during the conversation, you will hear this sound.

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71.556 - 95.909 Doctor Mike

And that is to signal to you that there's a footnote in the description of this video leading to a separate short video clearing up the controversy with sources. Get ready for a deep dive on the science of nutrition, weight loss, and reversing chronic disease. Let's get started. Dr. Fung, I'm really excited to talk with you on a topic that very much needs more attention, the topic of obesity.

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97.37 - 117.119 Doctor Mike

As you've said in previous conversations, I mean, we've had guests talking about it. We're in a crisis state where 60, maybe now 70% overweight or obese as a nation here, at least in the United States. I'm assuming similar figures in Canada or- A little less, but- A little bit less, but also climbing- But also very high. And truly a worldwide issue, right?

117.439 - 136.634 Doctor Mike

More pandemic than epidemic at this point. I've heard your very strong interest in the topic, but you're a nephrologist, which is a kidney specialist and not necessarily the specialty that usually talks about obesity. How did you find that to be a topic that you were so passionate about?

136.914 - 161.834 Dr. Jason Fung

Yeah, it sort of followed from type 2 diabetes. So what happened from 1977 is that obesity went up. And about 10 years later, 12 years later, what you saw is a huge epidemic of type 2 diabetes, which is very closely related diseases. And so once you have the type 2 diabetes, you can develop kidney disease somewhere around 10 or 15 years into the diagnosis of type 2 diabetes.

162.017 - 187.996 Dr. Jason Fung

So as you get, so 1977, you start to see this uptick in obesity. By 1990, you see uptick in type 2 diabetes. By 2000, 2002, when I'm getting out in practice, now you're starting to see diabetic nephropathy like all over the place. And it's by far and away the biggest cause of kidney disease. So the two big ones really is type 2 diabetes and hypertension.

188.056 - 210.785 Dr. Jason Fung

So both of them are related in some way because they're very much metabolic diseases, they're related to weight and so on. And to lifestyle. And to lifestyle, exactly. And the point was that around 2008, 2009, I realized that as a nephrologist, As a medical profession, we had been thinking about this completely the wrong way.

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