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Bonus: The Journey of a Family Daycare Owner interview at maineaeyc conference

25 Oct 2025

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Send us a textIn this episode of the Child Care Directors Chair podcast, host Erica interviews Desiree, the owner of Teachers House Child Care. They d...

Bonus: maineaeyc interview Exploring Science in Early Childhood Education

25 Oct 2025

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Send us a textIn this episode of the Child Care Directors Chair Podcast, host Erica speaks with Jane Banish, an expert in early childhood education, a...

Bonus : From Passion to Practice: Stories of Childcare Professionals maineaeyc conference interview

25 Oct 2025

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Send us a textIn this episode of the Childcare Directors Podcast, Erica speaks with Dr. Cheryl Hovey from Fisher College about the various programs of...

Bonus: Empowering Parents: The Journey of Advocacy maineaeyc interview

25 Oct 2025

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Send us a textIn this episode of the Child Care Director's Chair podcast, host Erica speaks with parent advocate April Tardiff about her journey ...

Bonus: The Courageous Steps Project: A Model for Inclusion maineaeyc conference interview

25 Oct 2025

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Send us a textIn this episode of the Child Care Directors Chair podcast, host Erica speaks with Connor Archer, founder of the Courageous Steps Project...

Bonus: Empowering Early Childhood Leaders maineaeyc interview

25 Oct 2025

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Send us a textIn this conversation, Erica speaks with David and Robin from Rooted Development about the challenges and strategies in early childhood e...

Bonus: Nature, Communication, and Connection: A New Approach to Early Childhood Education

25 Oct 2025

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Send us a textIn this episode of the Childcare Directors Chair podcast, host Erica sits down with Kate Glennon, an outdoor speech and language patholo...

Bonus: Empowering Maine's Youth Through Outdoor Learning

25 Oct 2025

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Send us a textIn this episode of the Child Care Directors Chair podcast, Erica speaks with Courtney from Winter Kids about their mission to provide ou...

Bonus :The Fascination of Early Childhood Education Maine aeyc interview

25 Oct 2025

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Send us a textIn this episode of the Child Care Directors Chair podcast, host Erica speaks with Autumn Niles, a high school junior who works with pres...

Bonus :Exploring Early Education: Abby's Journey at Maine AEYC

25 Oct 2025

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Send us a textJoin Erica from the Child Care Director Chair podcast as she wraps up day one at the Maine AEYC Conference with a delightful interview f...

Bonus: Empowering Early Childhood Education: Insights from the njaeyc conference

24 Oct 2025

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Send us a textJoin Erica at the AEYC conference in New Jersey as she chats with Ruth Ball, a passionate preschool teacher, about the transformative po...

Bonus: njaeyc interviews: Heart & Mind in the Classroom

24 Oct 2025

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Send us a textIn this episode of the Childcare Directors Chair Podcast, host Erica Saccocio speaks with Kamesha, an experienced educator in early chil...

Bonus: njaeyc interrview: Charles Best on Early Childhood Innovation at Lakeshore

24 Oct 2025

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Send us a text In this episode, we sit down with Charles Best from Lakeshore, where he shares the company’s unwavering commitment to early childhoo...

Bonus: Interviews from njaeyc conference

24 Oct 2025

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Send us a textThis conversation explores the journey and insights of a childcare director and educator, focusing on the importance of early childhood ...

Bonus: NJAEYC interview: Sow, Grow, and Glow: DJ’s Sassy Spin on the Heart of Teaching

24 Oct 2025

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Send us a textLive from the NJAEYC Conference, DJ brings the laughs and the lessons! In this mini conversation, the comedian and keynote speaker share...

462 Inspiring Excellence: How to Lead Your Childcare Team to Their Best

23 Oct 2025

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Send us a textAre you leading your childcare team — or just managing them? In this episode of The Childcare Director’s Chair, Erica Saccoccio dive...

461 The Power of Asking: Creating a Culture Where Questions Are Welcome

22 Oct 2025

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Send us a textIn this week’s episode of The Childcare Director’s Chair, host Erica Saccoccio dives deep into one of the most overlooked leadership...

460 Not Ready for the Rocking Chair Yet: Reimagining What’s Next in Childcare

21 Oct 2025

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Send us a text🍎 Apple Podcasts Description:You’ve built a thriving childcare career, led incredible teams, and poured your heart into your commun...

459 From Dreamer to Doer: The One Step That Could Change Everything

17 Oct 2025

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Send us a textWhat if the only thing standing between you and changing the world
 is believing that you can? 🌎In this powerful solo episode of Th...

458 What If You’re the One the World’s Been Waiting For?

16 Oct 2025

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Send us a textWhat if the person who changes the world isn’t someone famous — but you? In this inspiring episode, Erica Saccoccio explores how one...

Bouns: Behind the Scenes: The Trailblazer Experience

13 Oct 2025

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Send us a textWant to see what you’ve been missing behind the scenes of the Trailblazer Leadership Group?This exclusive community gives you access t...

Bouns: Voices of the CDA: A Mother-Daughter Legacy in Education

13 Oct 2025

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Send us a textIn this episode of The Child Care Director’s Chair, Erica sits down with recent CDA graduate Tori Arnold live from the CDA Leadership ...

Bouns 50 Years of Impact: Celebrating the CDA Legacy

13 Oct 2025

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Send us a textIn this episode of the Child Care Directors Chair podcast, Erica discusses the significance of the conference celebrating major mileston...

Bouns: Voices of the CDA: Celebrating 50 Years with Jerletha McDonald

13 Oct 2025

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Send us a textAs part of our CDA Council 50th Anniversary Celebration and live podcast experience at the CDA Leadership Conference, Erica is joined by...

Bouns The Power of One Voice: Supporting Bilingual Educators Through the CDA

13 Oct 2025

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Send us a textIn celebration of the CDA’s 50th Anniversary, The Child Care Director’s Chair honors the voices and visionaries shaping the future o...

457 See It, Own It, Lead It: Awareness Hacks for ECE Leaders

09 Oct 2025

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Send us a textDo you truly see yourself as a leader in your early childhood program—or are you moving through your days on autopilot? In this episod...

456 Know Your Leadership Now: Find Your ECE Position & Elevate Your Impact

08 Oct 2025

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Send us a text Do you truly know where you stand as a leader in your early childhood program? In this episode, I guide you through six steps to locat...

455 Crush Your Roadblocks: Build a Leadership Roadmap That Works

07 Oct 2025

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Send us a textAre hidden roadblocks keeping you from leading your early childhood program with confidence and impact? In this episode, I break down th...

454 Plot Your Leadership GPS: Why Every ECE Leader Needs a Roadmap to Grow

06 Oct 2025

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Send us a text Feeling stuck or overwhelmed in your leadership journey? In this episode, Erica Saccoccio breaks down why having a leadership roadmap ...

453 From Teammate to Boss Journey ctaeyc Interview with Phillis

03 Oct 2025

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Send us a text Go behind the scenes at the ctaeyc Conference with The Childcare Director’s Chair! Phillis, a director who’s successfully navigate...

453 Supporting Mental Health: Live from ctaeyc with Emmanuel Silvia

03 Oct 2025

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Send us a text Go behind the scenes at the ctaeyc Conference with The Childcare Director’s Chair! In this live interview, Emmanuel Silvia shares hi...

453 Building Cohesion: Curriculum Tips from a New Director from ctaeyc

03 Oct 2025

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Send us a text Go behind the scenes at the ctaeyc Conference with The Childcare Director’s Chair! In this live interview, Patty, a new and passiona...

453 ctaeyc Interview Keeping Toddlers Busy: Live Tips from the Floor

03 Oct 2025

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Send us a text  Go behind the scenes at the CT AEYC Conference with The Childcare Director’s Chair! In this lively 5-minute interview, we shine a s...

453 Amplifying Leadership: Behind the Scenes at ctaeyc

03 Oct 2025

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Send us a text Go behind the scenes with The Childcare Director’s Chair! Erica Saccoccio hits the floor at the ctaeyc Conference, sharing her mic w...

453 Live from ctaeyc: Brittany on Teaching & Leadership

03 Oct 2025

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Send us a text Go behind the scenes with The Childcare Director’s Chair as Erica Saccoccio records live at the ctaeyc Conference! In this episode, ...

453 Happy Teachers, Great Bosses: Live from ctaeyc

03 Oct 2025

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Send us a text Go behind the scenes with The Childcare Director’s Chair as Erica Saccoccio and Kashonda as they record live at the ctaeyc Conferenc...

453 Live from ctaeyc: Self-Care Beyond the Surface

03 Oct 2025

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Send us a text Go behind the scenes with The Childcare Director’s Chair as Erica Saccoccio records live at the ctaeyc Conference! In this special e...

452 Drama Alert: How to Spot It and Stop It Fast

02 Oct 2025

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Send us a text Sick of drama taking over your childcare center? Staff gossip, parent complaints, and toxic venting can derail your team and drain you...

451 PD That Pops: Turn Training Into an Experience, Not a Chore

01 Oct 2025

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Send us a text Let’s be real—sending your team to professional development only to watch it vanish the moment they clock back in is exhausting. I...

ep 24: The Next Level: Where Do You Go From Here?

01 Oct 2025

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Send us a textIn the final episode of our 24 podcasts in 24 hours marathon for International Podcast Day, Erica Saccoccio helps childcare leaders refl...

ep 23: Your Leadership Legacy: What Will People Remember About Working with You?

01 Oct 2025

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Send us a textIn Episode 23 of our 24 podcasts in 24 hours marathon for International Podcast Day, Erica Saccoccio explores the idea of leadership leg...

ep 22: Leading Without Burning Out: Balancing Ambition with Rest

01 Oct 2025

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Send us a textIn Episode 22 of our 24 podcasts in 24 hours marathon for International Podcast Day, Erica Saccoccio shares strategies for leading effec...

ep 21: Your Role as an Advocate: Using Your Voice for the Field and Your Community

01 Oct 2025

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Send us a textIn Episode 21 of our 24 podcasts in 24 hours marathon for International Podcast Day, Erica Saccoccio dives into the critical role childc...

ep 20: Spotting Future Leaders in Your Team: Passing the Torch to Emerging Leaders

30 Sep 2025

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Send us a textIn Episode 20 of our 24 podcasts in 24 hours marathon for International Podcast Day, Erica Saccoccio explores how childcare leaders can ...

ep19: Retention Over Recruitment: Why Loyalty Beats Constant Hiring

30 Sep 2025

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Send us a textIn Episode 19 of our 24 podcasts in 24 hours marathon for International Podcast Day, Erica Saccoccio dives into one of the most powerful...

ep18 Building a Culture People Love: Creating a Workplace That Attracts and Keeps Staff

30 Sep 2025

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Send us a text In Episode 18 of our 24 podcasts in 24 hours marathon for International Podcast Day, Erica Saccoccio shares strategies for creating a ...

ep17: Handling Parent Concerns with Grace: Navigating Complaints Without Losing Trust

30 Sep 2025

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Send us a textIn Episode 17 of our 24 podcasts in 24 hours marathon for International Podcast Day, Erica Saccoccio shares strategies for handling pare...

ep16 From Manager to Mentor: Shifting from Running the Floor to Growing People

30 Sep 2025

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Send us a textIn Episode 16 of our 24 podcasts in 24 hours marathon for International Podcast Day, Erica Saccoccio explores how childcare leaders can ...

ep15: Being Seen as a Professional: Leveling Up How Others Perceive You

30 Sep 2025

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Send us a textIn Episode 15 of our 24 podcasts in 24 hours marathon for International Podcast Day, Erica Saccoccio dives into how childcare leaders ca...

ep14: Team Motivation Boosters: Quick Strategies for Low-Morale Days

30 Sep 2025

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Send us a textIn Episode 14 of our 24 podcasts in 24 hours marathon for International Podcast Day, Erica Saccoccio shares practical team motivation bo...

ep13: Time-Saving Systems: Daily Hacks to Stay Organized as a Busy Childcare Leader

30 Sep 2025

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Send us a textIn Episode 13 of our 24 podcasts in 24 hours marathon for International Podcast Day, Erica Saccoccio shares practical time-saving system...

ep12 Coaching—Unlocking Potential in Your Team

30 Sep 2025

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Send us a textIn Episode 12 of our 24 podcasts in 24 hours marathon for International Podcast Day, Erica Saccoccio highlights one of the most powerful...

ep11 Conflict Resolution—Turning Tension into Teamwork

30 Sep 2025

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Send us a textIn Episode 11 of our 24 podcasts in 24 hours marathon for International Podcast Day, Erica Saccoccio takes on a leadership skill every c...

ep9 Decisions Under Pressure—Leading When It Counts

30 Sep 2025

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Send us a textIn Episode 9 of our 24 podcasts in 24 hours marathon for International Podcast Day, Erica Saccoccio tackles one of the toughest parts of...

ep8 Vision—Leading with Clarity and Purpose

30 Sep 2025

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Send us a textIn Episode 8 of our 24 podcasts in 24 hours marathon for International Podcast Day, Erica Saccoccio explores the driving force behind ev...

ep7 Resilience—Your Leadership Superpower

30 Sep 2025

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Send us a textIn Episode 7 of our 24 podcasts in 24 hours marathon for International Podcast Day, Erica Saccoccio shines a spotlight on one of the mos...

ep6 The Power of No: Protect Yourself and Your Team

30 Sep 2025

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Send us a text Ever feel like your to-do list controls you instead of the other way around? In this episode of 24 Podcasts in 24 Hours, Erica Saccocc...

ep5 Feedback that Fuels Growth: Giving and Receiving with Confidence

30 Sep 2025

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Send us a textIn Episode 5 of our 24 podcasts in 24 hours marathon for International Podcast Day, Erica Saccoccio takes on a skill that makes or break...

ep4 Communication That Counts: Listening, Speaking & Truly Connecting

30 Sep 2025

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Send us a textIn Episode 4 of our 24 podcasts in 24 hours marathon for International Podcast Day, Erica Saccoccio dives into the cornerstone of strong...

ep3 Self-Awareness: Leading with Strengths and Owning Your Gaps

30 Sep 2025

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Send us a textEpisode 3 of our 24 podcasts in 24 hours marathon for International Podcast Day is all about a leader’s secret weapon: self-awareness....

ep2 Core Values: Defining What You Stand For as a Leader

30 Sep 2025

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Send us a text In Episode 2 of our 24 podcasts in 24 hours marathon for International Podcast Day, Erica Saccoccio takes you into the heart of leader...

ep1 The Foundations of Emerging Leadership: Where Your Journey Begins

30 Sep 2025

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Send us a text Kicking off our 24 podcasts in 24 hours marathon for International Podcast Day! 🎉 In this very first episode of the Childcare Direc...

450 Showing Up on the Hard Days: How to Lead Staff Through the “I’m Not Feeling It” Moments

29 Sep 2025

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Send us a text Every childcare professional has those days — the ones where the energy just isn’t there. But the children are still counting on u...

449 Making PD Stick: How to Get Your Staff to Actually Use What They Learn

26 Sep 2025

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Send us a textWe’ve all been there—you send out professional development resources, but your staff don’t implement them. On this episode of the ...

448 Scaling Up Without Burning Out: Visionary Leadership for Growing Businesses

25 Sep 2025

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Send us a textHey everyone! On this episode of the Childcare Director’s Chair Podcast, we’re diving into the real challenges of growing your child...

447 Breaking Free from the Imposter Trap

24 Sep 2025

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Send us a text“In yesterday's episode, we unpacked why so many childcare directors and leaders secretly feel like imposters, even when they’r...

446 Confident on the Outside, Doubting on the Inside

23 Sep 2025

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Send us a text“Have you ever walked into your center, smiled like you’ve got it all together, but secretly thought, ‘What if I’m not good enou...

445 Budget Like a Boss: The Most Useful Guess You’ll Ever Make

22 Sep 2025

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Send us a textThink budgeting is boring or intimidating? Think again! Numbers don’t have to scare you—they can actually be your secret weapon for ...

444 Maine AEYC 101: Your VIP Pass to Learning, Networking, and Growing as an ECE Leader

19 Sep 2025

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Send us a text In this episode of the Child Care Directors Chair Podcast, Erica, Heather, and Morgan dive into all things Maine AEYC Conference! They...

443 Team First, Growth Next: Secrets of a Multi-Center Leader

18 Sep 2025

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Send us a textIn this episode of the Child Care Director's Chair podcast, Sean Toner, owner and president of Beach Babies Child Care, shares insi...

442 No More Sleepless Nights: Getting Control of Your Center’s Cash

17 Sep 2025

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Send us a text In this episode of the Childcare Director’s Chair, host Erica Saccoccio spills the real tea on a topic many childcare leaders avoid ...

441 Crocs & Mismatched Socks Guide to Purposeful Leadership with Dr. Holland

16 Sep 2025

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Send us a textIn this episode, I chat with Dr. Charity Holland—aka Dr. Mommy C—about leading with purpose in early childhood education. She shares...

440 From Staff to Sidekick: How to Find Your Next Rockstar Assistant Director

15 Sep 2025

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Send us a textYour next Assistant Director could be the secret sauce to a thriving center — but only if you hire, train, and promote them the right ...

439 No More Mediocrity

12 Sep 2025

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Send us a text Leaders, it’s time to stop lowering the bar. Mediocrity is not a strategy, and "good enough" is not good enough when you’...

438 Your ECE Network: How Relationships Fuel Growth and Change Your Life

11 Sep 2025

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Send us a textYour next big breakthrough in childcare might be just one connection away. Networking isn’t just swapping business cards — in Early ...

437 The One Leadership Trait Directors Can’t Afford to Ignore

10 Sep 2025

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Send us a textYour policies won’t save you. Your systems won’t save you. The leadership skill that makes—or breaks—your childcare program is e...

436 No More Animal Crackers for Lunch: The Real Toll of Being an Educator.

09 Sep 2025

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Send us a textThe truth is, the physical toll of working in Early Childhood Education is real — and too many educators are paying the price with the...

435 Empowered Leadership in Childcare: Mindset Shifts for Success

08 Sep 2025

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Send us a textJoin Erica Saccoccio in this insightful episode of the Child Care Directors Chair podcast as she explores the transformative mindset shi...

434 Leading with Excellence in Tough Financial Times

05 Sep 2025

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Send us a textIn this insightful episode, host Erica Saccoccio speaks directly to child care leaders facing the challenge of maintaining program excel...

433 Systems = Stability: Why Great Directors Lead with Structure

04 Sep 2025

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Send us a textIn tough times, strong leadership isn’t just about making big decisions—it’s about building solid systems that keep your program s...

432 Leading When You Don’t Have All the Answers

03 Sep 2025

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Send us a textIn this episode, we’re talking about what it really means to lead when you’re overwhelmed, unsure, or completely in the dark about w...

431 How to Stand Out in a Sea of Centers: Making Families Choose YOU

02 Sep 2025

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Send us a textThe early education landscape is changing fast. With more choices than ever—state Pre-K, pop-up pods, microschools, and corporate cent...

430 What You Say Matters: Why Great Communicators Make Great Leaders in Early Childhood

01 Sep 2025

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Send us a textDescription: In this episode, we dive into why communication is the ultimate leadership superpower in early childhood education. Discove...

429 How John Maxwell Shifted My Leadership Forever: 10 Must-Know Lessons

29 Aug 2025

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Send us a textWhat happens when you sit under one of the greatest leadership teachers of all time?In this powerful episode of The Childcare Director’...

428 From Boomers to Zoomers: Leading Across the Generational Divide

27 Aug 2025

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Send us a textWhat happens when Baby Boomers, Gen X, Millennials, and Gen Z all show up to work at your center—with different values, tech styles, a...

427 First-Year Frenzy: What New Directors Really Want to Know

27 Aug 2025

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Send us a textJust stepped into the role of childcare director and feeling overwhelmed? You’re not alone—and you’re in the right chair. In this ...

426 Why I Invested in My Leadership – Even When I Was Already Winning

26 Aug 2025

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Send us a textWhat do you do when everything looks like it’s working—but deep down, you know there’s another level of growth waiting?In this epi...

425 A Lesson from Mr. Ty — The Childcare Whisperer

25 Aug 2025

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Send us a textWhy We Can’t Pour From Empty Cups (And Shouldn’t Be Expected To) This episode was recorded in response to a powerful and vulnerable...

424 Lead Better, Teach Better: Pedagogical Leadership That Works

22 Aug 2025

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Send us a text Are you tired of just managing your childcare center and ready to actually lead your teachers to success? In this episode, I break dow...

423 What I learned 27 Years of Lessons: Top 10 Back-to-School Tips

21 Aug 2025

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Send us a textAfter 27 years in early childhood education, I’ve seen it all—and learned what really works to start the school year off strong. In ...

422 Spark Joy: Directors Who Don’t Do Boring

20 Aug 2025

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Send us a textBack-to-school week doesn’t have to be boring—or stressful! In this episode of The Childcare Director’s Chair, we’re taking a bo...

421 Back-to-School Hustle: Lead Your Teachers & Wow Your Families

19 Aug 2025

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Send us a textApple Podcast Description:Back-to-school season is here, and yes—it can feel like a hot mess sometimes. But leaders, this is your mome...

420 Unapologetically You

18 Aug 2025

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Send us a textTake off that mask — you're not perfect, and guess what? You don’t have to be. In this episode, we’re getting real about what...

419 Show Me the Money: Childcare Finances Made Simple

15 Aug 2025

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Send us a text Running a childcare center takes heart—but it also takes smart money management. In this episode, Erica is joined by Kathy Jensen fr...

418 Make Them Feel the Love
Then They Enroll

14 Aug 2025

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Send us a textWant families lining up to enroll without feeling pushy? In this episode, we’re spilling the real tea on turning your enrollment proce...

417 Stay Ready So You Don’t Have to Get Ready: Nailing Those Unannounced Inspections

13 Aug 2025

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Send us a text Today on The Childcare Director’s Chair, we’re talking all things state visits — the kind that pop up when you're mid-diape...

416 Pinterest Who? Real Lesson Plans for Real Learning

12 Aug 2025

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Send us a textToday on The Childcare Director’s Chair, we’re getting into the kind of lesson planning that actually works — not the overpriced, ...

415 Keep It, Sell It, Grow It: The Bold Choices Every Childcare Owner Must Make

11 Aug 2025

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Send us a textFeeling like something’s shifting in your childcare journey? Whether you're burned out, booked out, or ready to boss up to the ne...

413 Pay Transparency in Childcare: Empowering or Divisive?

08 Aug 2025

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Send us a textLet’s talk about the money talk. You know—the one that happens in whispers behind closed doors or in the breakroom when someone find...

412 Hello to Heck Yes! Teachers Who Help Seal the Deal

07 Aug 2025

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Send us a textLet’s be real—families don’t enroll because of your brochure. They enroll because of how your program feels. And guess who creates...