The Chuck ToddCast
Interview Only w/Brad Carson - AI Needs Serious Regulation & Serious Regulators
19 Mar 2026
Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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Chapter 2: Why are Americans uniquely pessimistic about AI?
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Chapter 3: What is Americans for Responsible Innovation and who funds it?
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Chapter 4: How has money influenced political campaigns related to AI?
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Chapter 6: How can state-level regulation serve as a solution for AI oversight?
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Chapter 7: What are the potential risks of AI in military applications?
I think as consumers are trying to figure out how is this impacting our lives? How is this going to impact our future of work? If you've got older kids, you're wondering, are you even remotely giving them the education they need to survive in this new AI driven world? Governments are trying to figure out, you know, how do we
help this great technology come around, but do so with some guardrails, considering how poorly the same tech companies that are trying to bring us AI brought us social media. And there certainly seems to be disputes about that. And what's been interesting is
Chapter 8: What are the implications of surveillance pricing in AI?
is how negative the country is becoming on AI, artificial intelligence. And I think there's a lot of fear out there. I think the fear is understandable. I think the technology is remarkable. I think like many people, I think now we all every day we use it more. Sometimes we don't even fully realize how much we're using it, but we use it more. But the fear factor is definitely gone up.
And in some ways, that fear is driven by the people that are bringing us these AI companies, because they're the ones that tell us, well, there's this small chance that whatever we're developing is going to consume us all. And you're sitting there going, so why are we doing this?
So it is, look, the next 10 years probably are going to be defined politically by this battle of how do we integrate AI into society and how do we do it on our terms rather than on AI's terms? And my guest today is a former member of Congress, former Democrat, Brad Carson from the state of Oklahoma, president of Tulsa University. And he's president of Americans for Responsible Innovation.
So the idea is that he's trying to work on trying to create some better conditions, perhaps. And I say perhaps because that's what this conversation is about, of a regulatory environment that can earn the trust of the public. Because as I point out, it's a very recent NBC News poll, but this has been pretty consistent. So far, most Americans see more negative coming from AI than positive.
Now, we're unique around the world. Most other Western democracies are a bit more pro-AI than we are. And I think, like I said, the experiences of social media on this country in particular, the experience of what globalization did and the fact that that's still a living memory for many of us. So in many ways, Americans have earned their skepticism on this. Brad Carson, welcome to the podcast.
Thanks, Chuck. Great to see you again. So let me start with that. I want to get into some overall politics. whether there's such thing as an Oklahoma Democrat anymore. We can discuss that because even then you were an outlier when you were in Congress. But let's start with this. Tell me about your organization and be transparent with me. Who's funding it? Who's what? What?
You know, because I'll tell you, we're in the middle. There's so much money flowing into politics right now, coming from a handful of people trying to influence the regulation of AI. So tell me about your organization and tell me who's behind it. So Americans for Responsible Innovation is now about two years old. We're a bipartisan group. I'm a Democrat. I'm the president of it.
We have several Republicans who work for us, and we take great pride in working across the aisle because we believe AI should not be a partisan issue and that it's one that both parties have a huge stake in managing well. We're funded by family foundations or charities. We take no money from the tech sector at all.
So our biggest funders are groups like Coefficient Giving, Omidyar, Packard Foundation, and a number of family offices. So we're independent of the tech sector entirely, and we're often critical of them. But we believe that AI can be powerful and transformative. And so we don't want to kill the golden goose either. All right.
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