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Family Separation 2.0: An Update

30 Dec 2025

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Chapter 1: What recent changes have occurred in immigration policy under President Trump?

0.031 - 16.891 Katrin Benhold

I'm Katrin Benhold, host of The World, a daily newsletter from The New York Times. I spent 20 years reporting from more than a dozen countries, and it occurred to me one day, what kind of newsletter would I like to read? I don't live in the U.S. I want something especially for a global audience. The World is just that.

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17.351 - 32.316 Katrin Benhold

Each weekday morning, we bring you the biggest stories, dispatches from my colleagues on the ground, and a few surprises. Hey, it's Michael.

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33.117 - 57.936 Michael Barbaro

All this week, The Daily is revisiting some of our favorite episodes of the year, listening back and hearing what's happened in the time since they first ran. Today, we return to the subject of President Trump's broad and historic crackdown on immigration. To reach his promised deportation numbers, Trump increasingly sought to deport those without a criminal record, those who came to the U.S.

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58.176 - 76.223 Michael Barbaro

decades ago and who have established lives, careers, and family in this country. Daily producer Jessica Chung told the story of one such man who was detained this year through the eyes of his daughter. It's Tuesday, December 30th.

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77.104 - 103.365 Isla Gomez

So I was in class. I was about to turn in all my work to the teacher. So I was already starting to pack up my things slowly. And I got a call from my mom. She seemed very down. And she was like, it's like when you hear somebody, they're trying not to cry, but like they're really like holding it in. And I could hear in her voice. And that's when I started to get a little bit worried.

103.626 - 119.188 Isla Gomez

She told me that like your father got detained. And it's just like, you just start envisioning the worst. Like he's in this terrible place. This is a hardworking man. No criminal record. Like you guys just took him.

123.927 - 147.422 Jessica Cheung

I first spoke to Isla back in February. This was a month into the Trump administration, which had promised quick and mass deportations. I was calling immigration lawyers around the country, trying to get a sense of who exactly was getting targeted for deportation and how ICE was fining them. And that's when a lawyer called me back, saying you got to talk to Isla. Hello. Hi. Hi.

147.442 - 165.102 Jessica Cheung

So this is Jessica. This is Ayla. She's Fabrizio's 20-year-old daughter. Okay, great. Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you, too. My name is Ayla Gomez. Right now, Ayla's a sophomore at Wentworth Institute of Technology in Massachusetts, where she's studying architecture and interior design.

166.083 - 180.698 Jessica Cheung

She was raised in a town called Saugus, just outside Boston, where days before we had talked, her dad was detained by ICE officers. Tell me a little bit about your dad. What is his name? How old is he and what does he do?

Chapter 2: How does the story of a detained migrant illustrate the impact of these policies?

272.245 - 296.134 Isla Gomez

And then that's when he decided that he was ready to open his company and start start creating a life for himself and our family. And is your sense that he loves his job? Yes. My dad is actually very passionate for his job. You would think he wouldn't be because you're constantly going up a ladder. It's so cold since we live in Massachusetts. And it's really a hard job.

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296.594 - 301.32 Jessica Cheung

Even though he wasn't fluent in English, he had this way of connecting with people.

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301.705 - 309.858 Isla Gomez

My dad, he's always talked to his clients like he knew them for so long. I don't know how he talks to them, like everybody understands him.

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309.919 - 313.865 Jessica Cheung

For as long as she can remember, Isla's wanted to be just like him.

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314.426 - 341.23 Isla Gomez

As a little kid, I was like my dad's kind of tomboy. I'd always buy construction, little kids kit, and I would always go around the house with like plastic toys. Me and my dad are the type of person where we take something that is not good and we reform it. When something's not designed properly, it just feels down. And when you reform it, it brings another life.

341.812 - 348.486 Jessica Cheung

It sounds like you and your dad shared a special bond over your love of building things.

348.55 - 358.797 Isla Gomez

Yes. I always wanted to work with my dad, which is why I went to college for architecture and interior design. So eventually in the future, I could work with my dad's company.

359.283 - 363.808 Jessica Cheung

Isla says her dream is that her dad's company becomes a family company with her.

363.849 - 380.649 Isla Gomez

His dream was always for us to go to college and pursue something that we have passion for because they weren't able to choose their own path. You're not born saying, I'm going to clean toilets. I'm going to be a contractor. You're born thinking like, I want to be a businesswoman. I want to have my own company. I want to have my own home.

Chapter 3: What challenges did Isla face when her father was detained?

429.461 - 439.813 Isla Gomez

Like, there's—don't worry. As much as, obviously, when I'm alone, you always have that thought in the back of your mind, like, what am I going to do? What if things go down?

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439.793 - 461.43 Jessica Cheung

Fabrizio had no criminal record, and he didn't want to hide from law enforcement. He wanted to do things the right way. He's had a pending application for a visa. In the meantime, he's been checking in with ICE. He's been doing that for 12 years. In February, just one month after Trump's inauguration, he was due for another check-in.

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461.63 - 473.53 Isla Gomez

So he just shows up for his yearly check-in and you go there, you represent yourself, talk about whatever is being asked. And that was about it.

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477.115 - 487.873 Jessica Cheung

And so her dad shows up to his check-in like he always does. And it was soon after that, that her mom called her in class, notifying Isla that her dad had been detained.

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488.309 - 518.046 Isla Gomez

After I was hyperventilating, I felt like my heart just left my chest. I think about him being there. I think about him being in this close-up space. So I worry a lot at night. Like, what if he's panicking and we don't know? What if he's holding strong, but he's actually having the hardest time in his life? Like, that's what constantly replays in my head.

519.072 - 527.869 Isla Gomez

So it just felt like my whole heart got ripped out of my chest because I never got to really say a proper goodbye, like, I'll see you later.

527.889 - 555.66 Carlos Prieto

We'll be right back. My name is Carlos Prieto, and I'm one of the people that helped make The Daily. As part of our reporting on immigration, we heard from this woman crossing one of the most dangerous stretches of land on the whole planet to get to the United States. I knew that she was from Venezuela, which is where I'm also from.

555.64 - 570.662 Carlos Prieto

But what I found out is that not only was she from the same city that I grew up in, but she was also from the same neighborhood. She was describing parks and plazas and streets where I spent a lot of my childhood. She was a woman that I might have encountered at some point in my life.

570.642 - 588.952 Carlos Prieto

It made me feel an extra responsibility to find a way for our listeners to feel like they understood her and her story. What makes The Daily special is that we try to understand every story with that level of closeness so that our listeners can really connect with the humans in the middle of a news event.

Chapter 4: How did Isla's father's detention affect their family dynamics?

943.938 - 973.419 Isla Gomez

That's been my little ideal dream since February 26th. Just me getting that call of being told, go pick up your dad. And all I could think of is me just like parking my car, getting out my car. He's standing outside, like quite literally the same exact person he left, like in his work clothes, just the way he is with his face, like his regular face.

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975.042 - 976.405 Jessica Cheung

Like no time had passed.

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977.06 - 983.947 Isla Gomez

No, like literally no time has passed, but it feels like life spent upside down.

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984.627 - 984.988 Jessica Cheung

Yeah.

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985.628 - 1012.841 Isla Gomez

And just hugging my dad and all I could literally do is cry, like cry my literal heart out. Like everything that I've been holding in, like within these two months, that's exactly how I see. It just feels like it's going to happen and it's all I think about is, That's all I can envision, like, over and over again, every single day that I wake up. And it's just me.

1012.881 - 1016.753 Isla Gomez

Like, it's not like my mom's around, my sister's around. It's just, like, me and my dad.

1020.766 - 1048.123 Jessica Cheung

Isla never got the call to pick up her dad. Instead, a few days after we had talked, she received news that her dad had been deported from the U.S. to Brazil. So Isla packed a small suitcase for herself and a bigger one for her dad, and she booked a ticket for one to Brazil. And on Tuesday morning, at the arrivals terminal in Belo Horizonte Airport, Isla finally got to be with her dad.

1050.584 - 1057.945 Michael Barbaro

After the break, senior producer Jessica Chung on what happened after Isla reunited with her father.

1066.666 - 1087.955 Isla Gomez

Once you go through all the tunnel and everything, it's literally like a storefront door, like a sliding door. It just slides in like there behind that door. And I literally see him like standing in front of the door. I gave him a big hug. Like I missed him so much. It was so shocking. It's just like, what am I doing in Brazil?

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