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GOOD FOLLOW - Lisa Leslie Talks Angel Reese’s Motion, A’ja Wilson’s GOAT Status, Cathy Engelbert Gets Booed & More
16 Oct 2025
Chapter 1: What insights does Lisa Leslie share about Angel Reese's runway debut?
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Hey, what's up, y'all? Welcome to Good Follow Show presented by DraftKings. I'm Roz Gold on Wooday. And today I'm coming to you from our L.A. studio because we have a very special guest interview with a hoop legend, a Hall of Famer, WNBA great, just multifaceted queen, the host of Between the Lines and friend to the show. Lisa Leslie is in the building. What's up, Lisa?
What's up? Happy to be back on Good Follow. Love your show, your podcast. You do such a great job. So this will be fun, of course.
Oh my gosh. Are you part of the Good Follow family, Lisa?
I am part of your Good Follow family. You did a great job, Roz.
I'm a fan.
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Chapter 2: How does Lisa Leslie evaluate Angel Reese's performance and potential for her third WNBA season?
You already know that. Thank you so much. You know, I remember like early, like we're talking like The 2010s and those years out at a college meeting you and telling you I wanted to be a broadcaster and, you know, could I get some advice? And like, for real, the Lisa Leslie at the time absolutely had kind words, advice and always like, you know, tapped in with me. I really always appreciated you.
You know, I always talk about I love being a role model, but then it's like when you actually when action, you know what I mean? That's an action. You asked me to help you do something and I connected you. I think back then it was maybe it was Fox or something, but you did. It's still like, yeah, it's like.
do it you know what I mean like help other people I don't know I just I'm happy because you never know how it comes full circle yeah like the fact that we're working together you don't know one day you could be my boss like you just never know um yeah I don't know I think it's just important so I was happy you asked and I was like oh do I never let down people when I say I'm going to do something I follow through and do it and especially young people to me I think that's so important so I was so happy to help and look at you you just
You did all kinds of stuff. Warriors. I was like, wait, that's that girl.
No, I'm just kidding. No facts. That's how it be.
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Chapter 3: What factors contribute to the GOAT debate surrounding A'ja Wilson?
And, you know, actually taking me down memory lane, like it means a lot too, because I think people see you with, you know, you mentor a lot of the biggest star up and coming stars. But like at the time I was a nice starter coming out of Stanford university, but you know, I wasn't Nneka Agumake. I wasn't Jane Appel, but like, it wasn't about like what your status was.
It was like, yo, there's a young person that wants help. And you absolutely did that. And you did connect me with somebody at Fox. I remember that. So now I just just giving you flowers because actually, you know, you wear so many hats in addition to being a beautiful human being. I see you in commercials. The fans are constantly calling on you to step up into something.
They want you to be a commissioner. They want you to be a coach. But one of your most recent roles that you're crushing is that of an elite podcaster, right? So how has it been hosting Between the Lines and being in this world with us as a podcaster?
You know, honestly... Here's the deal. This is my real honest answer. I know that my spiritual gift is my ability to speak, but I oftentimes am really a homebody and I don't necessarily need attention or to be in front of the camera just talking about anything.
Chapter 4: How does Lisa Leslie compare A'ja Wilson's impact to past WNBA legends?
So I feel like whenever I do a podcast or speak on anything, it really comes from the heart and I really try to give my honest answer. And I'm a truth teller. So if it's things that I feel is not going to benefit us as a whole, WNBA or me individually or whatever it is that I'm talking about, I don't really participate in it. I'm not a person who gives out.
I don't believe in negative energy and giving out negative energy. I don't read negative stuff. I just keep it moving. If I don't like it, I keep it moving. That's the kind of person I am. So I feel like podcasts sometimes I get a little overwhelmed with them because everybody has one and They're everywhere. And I don't like clickbait.
Like, I don't like to just talk about something just to be like, oh, I want people to see this. So mention somebody's name and like, that's not me. So I do feel like being a part of the podcast world, we have a major responsibility. Because we're a part of the media, essentially. We have a voice and a platform, and I think we have to use that responsibly.
So for me, I reluctantly am like, yeah, I do have a podcast, and I really try to be socially responsible with that.
Chapter 5: What were the reactions to WNBA commissioner Cathy Engelbert being booed?
But I'm also very hesitant. I do not do everybody's podcast, for sure.
Well, first of all, I'm honored. Thank you for pulling up on our show. And also, I've had the chance to be on your show. That's meant a lot. You're a real one. I've actually really enjoyed getting to hear the way you see the game. And you do that at such a high level. And that's probably why you're such a great mentor to a lot of these up-and-coming hoopers.
And that's another hat you wear, that of mentor. Yeah. One of your girls was doing it big last night at the time of taping. Angel Reese walked the Victoria's Secret one way last night, the first ever WNBA player to do so. And actually, I love this clip that came out. This is her right after walking the runway. Look how happy she is. Yes, she's celebrating.
Chapter 6: What does Lisa Leslie suggest regarding player focus amid CBA negotiations?
Oh, my gosh. So what did you think? What did you think seeing her on that stage?
Honestly, Roz, again, I always describe stuff like I feel like a proud mom, but I'm really proud of Angel because, you know, I modeled. I had a modeling contract. Modeling is not as easy as it looks. I mean, people think you just put on some clothes and walk, but you have nerves. You have to have confidence. You have to have, you know, where you connect with the crowd and the audience.
And I thought she checked all the boxes. This is your best body. When you are a professional athlete and you're in your 20s, that is your best body, baby. So... I thought it was amazing. I thought she had she looked beautiful. I thought she had the confidence that she needed. And it's her first time like people. I don't even read all of these comments.
Chapter 7: How is the growth of women's basketball changing the sport's landscape?
I just sent her a personal message and I was very I'm very proud of her. I'm happy that she's the first WNBA player to do it. because that's going to open doors hopefully for more. I mean, we have so many beautiful women in our league that could possibly do something like that.
So I feel like every time we as a whole get endorsement deals and get opportunities, you're slightly just continually to bust down doors and open it up for that next generation or even one of your colleagues. Very happy, proud. You know, I can't wait to hear the details, of course, but that's for another day. But I love you for her. I really do. Yeah, me too.
You know, and just like Angel, it's not like she just came in there and was like, oh, I'm going to just go and do it. Like she she worked at it. Honestly, is it just me? Is it just my algorithm? I don't think so. I think for a lot of the larger culture, the reason why we talked about the Victoria's Secret show today was because of Angel Reese. And I don't just think. Yeah, absolutely.
Chapter 8: What closing thoughts does Lisa Leslie have on the future of WNBA players and endorsements?
Like, isn't it crazy that a WNBA player, our WNBA players, not just Angel, are like the reasons why people are talking about brands and moments and events. You know, that's a shift.
I feel, I'm proud. Listen, and I always say this, that the things that I try to do personally to check out these boxes, to be the first WNBA player to sign a modeling contract I signed with Wilhelmina, it's crazy. It's a place and a space where we really belong, and we just haven't had the opportunities as much. And so I always look at it as an opportunity to one, make space, Create space.
Representation matters. But guess what? She just inspired a whole bunch of other little girls that are probably dribbling right now and thinking about, oh, I want to play basketball, but I also want to be a model. I want to be in the Victoria's Secret. It just continues to broaden the horizon, I think, for little girls to be able to dream to be like Angel Reese. Why not?
Yeah.
I love it.
I love it. And that young ladies can dream that they can be many things, that you don't just have to be put in one box. And so actually on our last show of Good Follow, I was here with Angel McCautry, who hosts with us. And we were just talking about like, at this moment, there's no player in the WNBA that has transcended the sport and is impacting culture like Angel Reese.
And while we were debating, like, okay, so... Now we were like, there's really no one who's doing it like Angel. But in the past, the name that we thought of was you. Do you like that comparison? And why do you think Angel has broken through like this and connected and resonated like this?
I love it. I feel like in each era, we do the best we can do. Whether I was modeling, broadcasting, public speaking, acting, I did sitcoms, I did movies. All of those things is because we're not just one thing. And again, you have to be what you're comfortable with. Everybody didn't have all of these talents, right?
but everybody didn't have the personality everybody's not as articulate everybody didn't have the the will to take criticism when you are in these spaces like who do you think you are and I remember people in players like where is she going and why is she always dressing what are you you know like why but it's like I'm my authentic self and I feel like I say Angela's like she's 10.0 me like
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