Creator of AI: We Have 2 Years Before Everything Changes! These Jobs Won't Exist in 24 Months!
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Why does Yoshua Bengio feel compelled to speak out about AI?
You're one of the three godfathers of AI, the most cited scientist on Google Scholar, but I also read that you're an introvert. It begs the question, why have you decided to step out of your introversion?
Because I have something to say. I've become more hopeful that there is a technical solution to build AI that will not harm people and could actually help us. Now, how do we get there? Well, I have to say something important here.
What are the potential dangers of agentic AI?
Professor Yoshua Bengio is one of the pioneers of AI, whose groundbreaking research earned him the most prestigious honor in computer science.
He's now sharing the urgent next steps that can determine the future of our world. Is it fair to say that you're one of the reasons that this software exists? Amongst others, yes. Do you have any regrets?
Yes, I should have seen this coming much earlier, but I didn't pay much attention to the potentially catastrophic risks. But my turning point was when ChatGPT came and also with my grandson. I realized that it wasn't clear if he would have a life 20 years from now because we're starting to see AI systems that are resisting being shut down. We've seen pretty serious cyber attacks and people becoming emotionally attached to their chatbot with some tragic consequences. Presumably, they're just going to get safer and safer, though. So the data shows that it's been in the other direction. It's showing bad behavior that goes against our instructions.
So of all the existential risks that sit there before you on these cards, is there one that you're most concerned about in the near term? So there is a risk that doesn't get discussed enough, and it could happen pretty quickly.
How do tech CEOs contribute to the dangers of AI?
And that is... But let me throw a bit of optimism into all this because there are things that can be done.
So if you could speak to the top 10 CEOs of the biggest AI companies in America, what would you say to them? So I have several things I would say. Just give me 30 seconds of your time. Two things I wanted to say. The first thing is a huge thank you for listening and tuning into the show week after week. It means the world to all of us and this really is a dream that we absolutely never had and couldn't have imagined getting to this place. But secondly, it's a dream where we feel like we're only just getting started. And if you enjoy what we do here, please join the 24% of people that listen to this podcast regularly and follow us on this app. Here's a promise I'm going to make to you. I'm going to do everything in my power to make this show as good as I can now and into the future.
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Professor Yoshua Bengio, you're, I hear, one of the three godfathers of AI.
How could AI impact national security?
I also read that you're one of the most cited scientists in the world on Google Scholar, actually the most cited scientist on Google Scholar and the first to reach a million citations. But I also read that you're an introvert. And it begs the question why an introvert would be taking the step out into the public eye to have conversations with the masses about their opinions on AI. Why have you decided to step out of your introversion into the public eye?
Because I have to.
What are the risks associated with AI in the context of job replacement?
Because since ChatGPT came out, I realized that we were on a dangerous path And I needed to speak. I needed to raise awareness about what could happen, but also to give hope that, you know, there are some paths that we could choose in order to mitigate those catastrophic risks.
You spent four decades building AI.
Yes.
And you said that you started to worry about the dangers after ChatGPT came out in 2023? Yes. What was it about ChatGPT that caused your mind to change or evolve?
Before ChatGPT, most of my colleagues and myself thought it would take many more decades before we would have machines that actually understand language. Alan Turing, founder of the field in 1950, thought that once we have machines that understand language, we might be doomed because they would be as intelligent as us.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
Why does Yoshua Bengio feel compelled to speak out about AI?
0:00–0:23
2
What are the potential dangers of agentic AI?
0:23–1:28
3
How do tech CEOs contribute to the dangers of AI?
1:28–2:40
4
How could AI impact national security?
2:40–3:17
5
What are the risks associated with AI in the context of job replacement?
3:17–6:09
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What can individuals do to mitigate AI risks?
6:09–7:20
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How does public opinion influence AI regulation?
7:20–8:12
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What is the future of AI and human jobs?
8:12–1:39:35
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