The Dr Pompa Podcast
FDA Banned This Natural Cancer-Eating Compound with John A. Richardson, Jr.
30 Dec 2025
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Chapter 1: What is the history behind Laetrile and its controversy?
What if we had the answer for the big C, the word that we can't talk about on social media because we fear being shut down. But what if the answer was here even years ago and have saved thousands of lives? There is a trillion dollar industry that doesn't want a simple, cheap answer. The three-letter agencies started coming. They started raiding his office, started arresting you.
He was 24 years old, diagnosed with the C word from one end of his body to the next. Monday morning, I start doing chemo and radiation. You need to get out of Mayo Clinic and go to Mexico. Literally, 21 days after arriving, walked out. He was in remission. Cancer cells that break the cyanide off. Healthy cells don't have that enzyme. It absolutely kills the cell instantly.
We're about to replace a trillion dollar industry. It's going to collapse. What if we had the answer for the big C, the word that we can't talk about on social media because we fear being shut down, but what if the answer was here even years ago and have saved thousands of lives and it could be as easy as eating an apricot seed? Okay, well, my next guest grew up eating apricot seeds.
His dad was even in prison for that. for just that. Okay. You're going to hear an amazing story, but this is going to be an episode you're going to want to share because the answer just could be that easy. And so many people need that answer. While I'm here with John Richardson, thank you for being here.
Chapter 2: How did John A. Richardson, Jr. become involved in cancer treatment?
Your father was the famous John Richardson that many books have been written about. Many people don't even know this story because it's been covered up. And what we're going to expose today, I think it's going to shock a lot of people. We're going to do it without getting this shut down. How about that? I love that.
That's a challenge because ever since my dad talked about this and ever since I have come out and talked about this, we get censored everywhere. And it's sometimes when we're hovering over the truth, that's when we get shot down. So it's absolutely...
an honor to be here with you because i consider you a friend i consider you a a co-battler of the truth and but we have to realize we have to we have to self-censor sometimes to get more people to hear the truth so the story about apricot seeds is everywhere yeah and i'll be smacking about it we're gonna talk about the truth we're gonna talk about where you can get it we're gonna talk about all of the stories and i think it's gonna change i know it's gonna change lives i had dinner
with you, your assistant, and a gentleman. He was, what, 78 years old? I did 74. He's 70. Oh, yeah. Okay.
Chapter 3: What are the claims about apricot seeds and their role in cancer treatment?
All right. But 50 years ago, in his 20s, if I'm not mistaken, he was diagnosed with cancer, and he ended up going to Mayo. And if I misquote the story, it's just over dinner. And basically, he walked out of there to die. Yeah. Tell that bull story because he ended up telling me that apricot seeds, and I'm going to get more into something called laetrile, which is in apricot seeds, a.k.a.
amygdala, a.k.a. B17. Okay, so may have heard some of those terms, but how he went to Mexico to get it and it saved his life. Tell that story. Yeah, he was 24 years old. He was diagnosed with the C word, mink C, from one end of his body to the next.
And so for eight and a half hours at Mayo Clinic, he had an exploratory surgery and they found it was everywhere, like I said, from his neck down to his ankles. And so he was, you know, basically on his deathbed. Yeah. And so he, you know, Did that surgery and now they said Monday morning I start doing chemo and radiation like everybody at Mayo Clinic and what I said before.
And he got a call from his pastor over the weekend and said, hey, there's this guy, Dr. Richardson in California that's doing these amazing things with chemo. you know, of all things, amygdalin, you know, and he's having all kinds of amazing results. We've looked into it.
You need to get out of Mayo Clinic and go to Mexico because at that time, Mexico was really known place that it was quote unquote legal. Even though my dad was doing it in California at the time, he was completely shut down all the time. So because we're talking about Rick Hill, who in 1974 was sent home to D.I.D.,
on live as they say on um i would add something that he added to the story he said you know here he was having to make this decision all right go and maybe do this right or um or go on with the chemo the next day so he walked around the hospital he did something that most people wouldn't have done and so he kind of took an interview or you know a tally of how people were doing and
And after doing that, he said, why the hell would I do that? Because nobody was doing well. And there was no success stories at all. He talked to people that dot it, right, et cetera. I mean, he did his homework. And he was like, I'm out of here. And he walked out. He had to do that because his whole family was arguing with him that he needed to do these.
His whole family was saying, we'll disown you if you go to Mexico and do this therapy. By the way, they did. Oh, yeah. One brother did disown him. One brother passed away from the big C. Everybody that was at the clinic, a Mayo Clinic, he went down the hallway and said, hey, I've just been diagnosed. They're telling me I need to do this chemo. I need to take this cobalt.
And he said, would you do this again? If you had to do it all over again, would you do it again?
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Chapter 4: How did John Richardson's father challenge the medical establishment?
We go to that restaurant that needs to serve organic because we're making those choices because we know if we make the other choices, that will be one of the statistics. Absolutely, yeah. You know, I think there's another part of that story that needs to be told is this, that Rick went on to tell this story publicly many times and even in public forums. Rick's a great speaker, right? Well known.
And he would tell a story in that a woman kept showing up at his office. I guess he was a journalist, correct? Yep. Right. He kept showing up. Hired by the American Cancer Society. Hired by the American Cancer Society. And tell that part of the story. It's so amazing in light of what we see today, what we've seen over the last five years. There would be an article in the newspaper.
She would post an article opposing him. She would speak at an event. She would put up posters saying, And she was basically saying he never had cancer. Yeah. That was a big thing. That was a lot of my dad's patients. And what he was going through, what he was going through, they would say, oh, it's spontaneous healing. Or it's the leftover from all the chemo treatments.
That's why Dr. Richards was having success. They always gave the credit to something else. So, yes, in this case, they said, oh, no, you never had the big C. Yeah. So he sent off, fired off a letter to, he did this, this was smart, smart. His attorney fired off a letter to basically say, we're going to sue you, or not, to mail, we're going to sue you the next day.
Meaning that you're going to sue me because you told me I was riddled with cancer. I did a lot of half hours with the surgery on me. Yeah. And they did eight and a half hours. So they're telling me I don't have cancer in this article. Right.
right yes i think yeah not only not only did he but he got that certified letter from mayo clinic said that yes you had terminal yeah big c and we said told you that if you didn't do chemo radiation you'd be dead within months and if you did the chemo radiation i don't know what would have happened to rick but i can tell you he wouldn't be 74 years old today he wouldn't have nine grandchildren he was healthy as i could
And here's his book. I happened to bring his book. The hundreds of books. I got him out of that. I didn't even know the story yet. I didn't know. This is him at the Mayo Clinic back in 1916. Well, this is him. This is him now. And then you could see the B-17 in the bottom corner.
This, the story of how I rediscovered Rick, I just real quickly, I'm going to, I don't want to get off the point too much, but I just, I got this vault of information from the C word control society out of California. They had an organization that started over 50 years ago when my dad got arrested. My dad was arrested.
And then six months later, they started this organization called the C word control society. You can spell it out. I'm not going to put it on the show, but they started that to work, to tell the world about a make the land be 17 and later, which Ed Griffin wrote the book world without C. So I got this vault of information of 50 years of studies, books, books, All of this information.
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Chapter 5: What evidence supports the use of B17 in cancer treatment?
So just so we use any of those words, they're kind of interchangeable. Yeah. And there's maybe 1,200, 1,400 foods that this exists in. And I have another book. Yeah, it was written. But we don't eat a lot of those foods. Or enough. Therefore, we don't have enough B-17. And therefore, it sets us up for the problem. Exactly. And this is not just...
John Richardson or Dr. John Richardson tell the story. There's hundreds of doctors through history that tell the story. There was even an FDA agent, a pharmacologist and toxicologist that worked for the FDA. Her name was June Despain. And she was involved in all the brouhaha about Waitrose in the 70s. Many people remember Steve McQueen. Many people remember Ronald Reagan, Red Buttons.
You remember these famous names that people are talking about? Well, because Ronald Reagan, evidently, was, you know, helped. Well, not only was it evidently, again, we don't want to get this podcast shut down. I have a staffer that went on a podcast with me for an hour that I'd never released because he's afraid.
But he was there when Ronald Reagan was getting injections of amygdalin or laetrile in the White House. So it's stuff that's been covered up for years. And I don't want to get too dark or too, you know. But June Despain worked for the FDA. And she proved beyond a shadow of a doubt by writing this book that the cyanide claim they make about adicton is false. It's not true.
And so that when people see this and they go, oh, I eat too many. I'm going to get cyanide poisoning. That is false. It's never happened. It's kind of like a tale that's told over and over. And so she wrote the book.
And in the foreword to this book, talking about all these recipes that contain foods that contain amygdala, my dad said, if every family could enjoy the meals from this book, we'd soon have no more cancelcations. I can say that word. Yeah. Let us hasten the day, Dr. John A. Richardson, MD, Albany, California.
As I've dug deeper into this, even since I've known you, as I dug deeper into this, the proof is beyond a shadow of a doubt that the C word. is absolutely an immune deficiency disease. It is. And a billionaire doctor went on, Tucker Carlson and Joe Roving recently said, cancer is a metabolic disease.
So people are now accepting it, but there is a trillion dollar industry that doesn't want a simple, cheap answer. So true. It's true. It's sad. But I do understand. I do understand why it's so difficult to move that needle. And some things are easy. Some things, you know, hey, eat vitamin C or have a good scurvy. Nobody cares, right? No, there's not an industry.
Not eating apricots that contain B17 and prevent this from happening, right? Yeah, no one cares. But it's so simple. That's it. And we're talking about a trillion-dollar industry. That is why we're hedging the word. That's the answer. Yeah. That's a similar reason. Not because you or I are afraid. Yeah. You and I can talk behind the scenes, but we're out on social media.
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Chapter 6: What are the potential benefits and risks of using Laetrile?
Well, he was a University of Rochester Medical School, top of his class. He started Mary Jean Bassett Hospital in New York. I was like, this was no average doctor, your father. No, no, John Richards. And they tried to slander him all sorts of different ways. But he was a Christian. Not that that matters. You could be religious or whatever your belief in God is, that's fine.
But he was a man who practiced what he preached. He was honest. He was on the honor court in college, for example, and they don't even have that anymore. He was the president of the honor court where they decide whether somebody was cheating and what should happen to them. It used to be students made that decision. So, he was a four-sport athlete.
But when he graduated, he admittedly only knew big pharma answers. He only knew chemotherapy, radiation, surgery. That's all that every MD is taught in most medical schools. And I want to bring up something about that later if I can remember correctly. But when he got into his practice, he started seeing that every time someone got this big C, he would never hear from them again.
He would send them off to the oncology department at the local doctor's hospital, and he'd never hear from them again. They would be cut, burned, and poisoned. Unfortunately, that's the simple words, chemotherapy, radiation surgery. You never hear from them again. So, he said there has to be a better way.
So, he started researching, and he heard about this Dr. Ernst Krebs that in the 1920s was using an extra with a care. He was an extract. He was an MD in the 1920s. He was an extract from the apricot seed to treat people with the sea worm. And so he was reading about this and he was having a good success. And then moved to the 60s.
His son, Ernst Krebs, with a K, Jr., out of San Francisco, was a pharmacologist, a biologist. He was purifying further to where he was getting 100%. a Megadone, which he calls Laetrile. That's why we have these names. That's why we have these names. Laetrile is kind of the trade name. There's a big controversy about that. I'd like to tell you this is the same thing.
A Megadone is just what's found in 1,200 different foods. Laetrile happens to be the purified burden. So my dad saw that he was having literally 100% success rates of patients that weren't using chemo radiation surgery in the 1960s in San Francisco. This was Ertz Krebs.
So my dad heard all this and looked into it, found that doctors that were trying to offer this were getting their licenses pulled. But he thought, I want to see how I can bring this into my practice. Well, how can you do it? Well, we had a cat that got cancer on its neck. And again, I risked being edited out, but got a tumor on its neck.
And dad tried it, went over to San Francisco, got the Laetrile from Ernst Krebs, tried on the cat. And the cat responded miraculously within weeks. Within weeks, instead of going to chemo radiation surgery, it got better. At the same time, my dad's favorite nurse had a sister named Mildred who was riddled with the C word. She was riddled so bad they wanted to remove her arm.
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Chapter 7: How does the discussion of cancer treatment reflect broader societal issues?
Because I can't. You sell them on your site. Yeah, we sell them. We sell them and they're sold in health food stores or sold in, you know, and they can't stop you from selling. Well, they can. The country of Canada may rule you couldn't sell them. Australia may rule. So, you know, in Australia, to buy it is a facial scrub.
So they actually have held food stores in Australia that sell apricot seeds as a facial scrub. I'm rolling there. Uses them for a facial scrub. Yeah. But when they do that, whenever they ban it, it just becomes more of a craze. We had a country, Saudi Arabia's The head of Ministry of Health came on and said, don't eat apricot seeds. They could give you cyanide poisoning.
We had the biggest burst of sales ever for coming out of Saudi Arabia because people go, when the government says, don't eat something natural because it's bad for you. Typically, you have to look into that. Yeah. Oh, it's so true. And because the system supports itself the way it does.
So to make it, to bring it down to the most simple, basic facts about what amygdala is, it's nothing that my dad invented, that I invented. I don't have a patent on it. I don't have anything. All I have is the information that amygdalin floats around in your bloodstream if you're eating enough of it. And it has four tightly locked molecules, two of glucose.
And we know about glucose, how much the C word likes to eat it. PET scan is based on how rapidly the C word absorbs the glucose. What's the base level? The glucose goes for the cancer. Absolutely. But there's something else. There you go. That's the big key.
God made it that way or nature made it that way or the universe made it that way that it's tightly locked until it comes in contact with an enzyme called beta glucoside. The cyanide is locked. Yes, a lot. I'm regularly 40 apricot seeds a day. I've done it shows 100 apricot seeds. The Hunzas ate 200 apricot seeds a day. Lots and lots of people eat more. I don't recommend.
So yeah, don't get me wrong. The point is, yes, it controls cyanide, but it's locked into this molecule. Right. So, again, with glucose, the cancer cells just happen to absorb like crazy. In cancer cells, they have a certain enzyme that break the cyanide off. Because healthy cells don't have that enzyme. Yes. Interesting. Yeah. Isn't it interesting? And it's not just a theory. It's proven.
It's documented. I looked into it. You know that. I had read a lot. Of course. You wouldn't have me on here if you didn't believe me as a human being. I had a life of me myself. I mean, maybe you have people on that are full of it, but I know you as a person and you're not about to bring somebody on that's going to tout a bunch of lies on your podcast.
I mean, I looked into this biochemistry hard. Yes, I really had trouble believing it. I mean, in a good way, maybe, but... You know, I was like, okay, this is real biochemistry here. Did the cancer cells knock this off and it kills the cell? It absolutely kills the cell instantly. And that's why it never gets to metastasize. Once it metastasizes, then you have a whole nother issue.
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Chapter 8: What future developments are anticipated in natural cancer treatments?
So it's something. But if someone has the big C, then it's a little different that you have to really up your doses. And that's why some of the liquids were formed. Right. And, you know, also even the oral stuff. pills, you can get those doses up. So what are we talking dose-wise? I just don't want people to think that they're going to fix their big C by just eating 10 apricot seeds.
Oh, do you get what I'm saying? Yes, I do. Yeah. Do what Gibber's saying. And it's a difficult subject for me because- I know. Here's the difference. So don't give me a mouthful. No, well, yes. I just want you to hear this for me that we have seen thousands of results for people just eating five or ten apricots a day. I don't want to give false hope to people.
I want people to seek out a learned individual that understands what they're talking about. It doesn't just have one side or the other. They need to know both. I have very dear friends that are MDs that prescribe –
a low dose chemotherapy in some instances because it or they prescribe surgery in some instances because if you have a blockage in your bowel that's only can be resolved by surgery maybe that's what you have to do now I also have friends that want to hit me and say John 95% of bowel surgeries are unnecessary so don't tell somebody that's okay but I'm not a health practitioner I'm a historian I'm a I'm a tree teller and so when you say you know do people need higher doses yes
Dr. Krebs and Dr. Gosh, there's so many doctors that were using this in the 70s, 80s, 90s, and using it today. Say up to 12 grams a day, you could use a Vilea draw, a pure amygdala. And they're seeing absolute amazing results. But again, that depends on a lot of other factors. Because if you're eating a diet of donuts and sugar and pizza and my big banks and trying to
get rid of, get your immune system good enough so it could get rid of this, what we call the C word, then you're going to be failing. You're going to be failing. So it has to be an approach that's an integrative approach. Now, once it's down the line, we're seeing absolute tremendous results out there in practice.
I've got now literally hundreds of doctors across the country, whereas five years ago, I could name one or two. Oh, yeah. Has this new administration, you think is going to be better for this? I know it is. Here's why I know it is. RFK Jr. scheduled me to be on his podcast before he connected with President Trump.
The only reason I didn't end up filming that podcast is because his mom had a stroke that day. So I have a silly claim to fame that I was the last scheduled guest on his podcast before he – Oh, yes. He doesn't have time. Yeah. I know. He doesn't have time to do a podcast. But his producer said to be – in front of my son, otherwise I may not believe it.
He said, we love what you're doing, John. We hear, we know your story. We want you to get this out there. We want to help you get out there. So that gives, that lifts my spirits. Yeah. But it also lifts my spirits when I'm being brought into situations where MDs who, uh, Would have never spoke to me before.
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