The Edu Salon
Episodes
Paul Kidson on sustainable and hopeful school leadership
28 Feb 2026
Contributed by Lukas
Deborah Netolicky talks with Associate Professor Paul Kidson about leadership in schools that is hopeful, sustainable and personalised. Paul leads Edu...
Amanda Bell on leadership and governance in schools
31 Jan 2026
Contributed by Lukas
Deborah Netolicky talks with Dr Amanda Bell AM about leadership and governance in schools. Amanda is a highly experienced leader, an accomplished non-...
Erica McWilliam on joy and challenge in learning and teaching
10 Dec 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Deborah Netolicky talks with Professor Erica McWilliam AM about the joy in the rigour of learning, reclaiming the magic of teaching, and the importanc...
Erica McWilliam on joy and challenge in learning and teaching
06 Dec 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Deborah Netolicky talks with Professor Erica McWilliam AM about the joy in the rigour of learning, reclaiming the magic of teaching, and the importanc...
Gert Biesta on teaching and the beautiful risk of education
01 Nov 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Deborah Netolicky talks with Professor Gert Biesta about teaching, knowledge and the purpose of education. Gert is Professor of Public Education at th...
Adrian Camm on principalship, self-transformation and AI
27 Sep 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Deborah Netolicky talks with Dr Adrian Camm about principalship, self-transformation, innovation in schools and the possibilities of AI for education....
Kristen Douglas on supporting wellbeing and mental health in schools
30 Aug 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Deborah Netolicky talks with Kristen Douglas about mental health challenges in schools and society, and how educators can support themselves and the c...
Episode 50: Deborah Netolicky and Mathew Irving in an ‘Edu Salon X EdLeaders’ collab
05 Jul 2025
Contributed by Lukas
In this special 50th episode of The Edu Salon podcast, Deborah Netolicky hosts a collaboration between The Edu Salon and EdLeaders Australia podcasts....
Paul Teys on school leadership and being the principal
31 May 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Deborah Netolicky talks with Dr Paul Teys about principalship and the realities of leading in a school. Paul spent 36 years in middle and executive le...
Fiona Longmuir on teacher workforce, workload and wellbeing
03 May 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Deborah Netolicky talks with Dr Fiona Longmuir. Fiona is a Senior Lecturer in Educational Leadership in the Faculty of Education at Monash University....
Matthew Esterman on the possibilities of AI in education
05 Apr 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Deborah Netolicky talks with Matthew Esterman about the role of AI in education, including its possibilities, limits, impact on student learning and p...
Kylie Bice on adjusting teaching for the learning of all students
01 Mar 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Deborah Netolicky talks with Kylie Bice about how ‘differentiation’ means designing responsive teaching and learning to students’ diverse needs....
Karen Spiller on leadership and governance in schools
01 Feb 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Deborah Netolicky talks with Karen Spiller OAM CF about leadership and governance in schools. For 23 years, Karen was Principal of two schools in Quee...
Barbara Watterston on living and leading well
30 Nov 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Deborah Netolicky talks with Dr Barbara Watterston about leading and leadership in education, including mentoring, coaching, professional companioning...
Glenn Savage on the future of education policy and practice
02 Nov 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Deborah Netolicky talks with Associate Professor Glenn Savage about education policy and practice, and the future of schooling. Glenn is a policy soci...
Claire Golledge on leading culturally nourishing schooling
28 Sep 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Deborah Netolicky talks with Dr Claire Golledge about school leadership, education research, aboriginal education and culturally nourishing schooling....
Yong Zhao on all things education
31 Aug 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Deborah Netolicky talks with Professor Yong Zhao about teaching, curriculum, schooling, educational leadership, and schools within schools. Yong is a ...
Fiona Hutton on education leader search, recruitment and support
03 Aug 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Deborah Netolicky talks with Fiona Hutton about search, recruitment and support of educational leaders. Fiona is an educator, executive search profess...
Jared Cooney Horvath on brain science and learning
06 Jul 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Deborah Netolicky talks with Dr Jared Cooney Horvath about brain science, memory, learning, and the impact of technology on young people. Jared (PhD, ...
Karen Edge on diversity, kindness and education workplaces
01 Jun 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Deborah Netolicky talks with Dr Karen Edge about leadership, diversity, kindness and education workplaces. Karen is a Reader in Educational Leadership...
Christine Grice on decentring leadership
04 May 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Deborah Netolicky talks with Dr Christine Grice about decentring leadership, leading the child, and leading together. Christine a Senior Lecturer in E...
Simon Breakspear on implementing change
06 Apr 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Deborah Netolicky talks with Dr Simon Breakspear about implementing change in schools and education systems. Simon is a researcher, advisor and speake...
Jill Berry on headship and leading in schools
02 Mar 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Deborah Netolicky talks with Dr Jill Berry about leading in schools, including principalship and ‘making the leap’ to being a school head. Jill ta...
Rachel Lofthouse on mentoring and coaching in education
03 Feb 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Deborah Netolicky talks with Professor Rachel Lofthouse about mentoring and coaching in education. Rachel is Professor of Teacher Education in the Car...
Pat Thomson on school leadership and arts-rich education
16 Dec 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Deborah Netolicky talks with Professor Pat Thomson about school leadership and arts-rich education. Pat is a Professor of Education at the University ...
Pasi Sahlberg on reinventing schooling
11 Nov 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Deborah Netolicky talks with Professor Pasi Sahlberg about reinventing schooling and from where we might draw our inspiration to make schooling better...
Amy Green on individual and collective wellbeing
15 Oct 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Deborah Netolicky talks with Amy Green about wellbeing of individuals and in workplaces, especially for staff in schools. Amy is a past teacher and sc...
Lauren Sayer on curriculum, innovation and neurodivergence
16 Sep 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Deborah Netolicky talks with Lauren Sayer about innovation, curriculum, teaching, neurodivergence and change. Lauren is currently Director of Curricul...
Jim Knight on humanising conversations and instructional coaching
20 Aug 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Deborah Netolicky talks with Dr Jim Knight about instructional coaching, trust, credibility, humility and mutually humanising conversations. Jim is Fo...
Kevin Richardson on principalship and students as change makers
08 Jul 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Deborah Netolicky talks with Kevin Richardson about the joys of principalship, school change, and engaging students as change makers in schools built ...
Helen Kelly on educator wellbeing and burnout
03 Jun 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Deborah Netolicky talks with Dr Helen Kelly about educator wellbeing and burnout. Helen is a school wellbeing expert, author, consultant, speaker and ...
Chris Munro on coaching, culture and conversation
06 May 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Deborah Netolicky talks with Chris Munro about coaching, mentoring and cultures of intentional professional conversation. Chris is an educator first a...
Summer Howarth on designing learning, partnering with students, and trusting teachers
01 Apr 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Deborah Netolicky talks with Summer Howarth about learning design, teaching, student voice, and really partnering with young people in the work of edu...
Michael Fullan on education leadership, equity, collaboration, and change
10 Dec 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Deborah Netolicky talks with Professor Michael Fullan about what does and should drive education, what educators might consider in their work, and the...
Rania Sawalhi on leadership and humanity in education
26 Nov 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Deborah Netolicky talks with Dr Rania Sawalhi about pracademia, education in Qatar, Islamic-based leadership, women in educational leadership, psychol...
Alma Harris on education leadership, networks and policy
12 Nov 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Deborah Netolicky talks with Professor Alma Harris about leadership, networks, the teaching profession, and education policy. Alma is a Professor Emer...
Andy Hargreaves on identity, influence and research in education
29 Oct 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Deborah Netolicky talks with Professor Andy Hargreaves about identity, wellbeing, student engagement, education research, and influence in education. ...
Beth Blackwood on leading schools in complex times
15 Oct 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Deborah Netolicky talks with Beth Blackwood AM about leading schools, principalship, and the complexity of education. Beth is the CEO of AHISA (the As...
Jen Buchanan on global, human-centred, future-focused education
01 Oct 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Deborah Netolicky talks with Jen Buchanan about education that is global, future-focused and human-centred. Jen is a teacher, leader and educator with...
Cameron Paterson on learning, teaching, and schooling
17 Sep 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Deborah Netolicky talks with Cameron Paterson about learning, thinking, teaching, and schooling. Cameron is Director of Learning at Wesley College, Me...
Kevin Lowe on sustainable improvement in Aboriginal education
03 Sep 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Deborah Netolicky talks with Associate Professor Kevin Lowe about Aboriginal education research and practice in Australia, including the role and powe...
Ellie Drago-Severson on adult learning and leading adult learners
20 Aug 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Deborah Netolicky talks with Professor Ellie Drago-Severson about adult learning and leading adult learners, through the lens of developmental psychol...
Jiang Xueqin on teaching for creativity, agency, and empowerment
06 Aug 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Deborah Netolicky talks with Jiang Xueqin about creativity, agency, and empowerment in the context of China’s education system. Jiang is a Beijing-b...
Tracey Ezard on leading for collaboration, culture and growth
23 Jul 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Deborah Netolicky talks to Tracey Ezard about leadership, collaboration, learning, and developing psychologically-safe organisational cultures. Tracey...
Trista Hollweck on professional learning, wellbeing and community
09 Jul 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Deborah Netolicky talks to Dr Trista Hollweck about mentoring, coaching, teacher agency, wellbeing, play, and community. Trista is a pracademic who in...
Paul Campbell on leadership, pracademia, and collaboration
25 Jun 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Deborah Netolicky talks to Dr Paul Campbell about teaching, leading, pracademia, and collaboration. Paul is Vice Principal of ESF Sha Tin Junior Schoo...
Dylan Wiliam on learning, teaching, and cultures of continuous improvement
11 Jun 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Deborah Netolicky talks with Professor Dylan Wiliam about his important work in formative assessment, as well as how classrooms and schools can create...
Marnee Shay on Indigenous education, research and representation
28 May 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Deborah Netolicky talks with Dr Marnee Shay about flexi schools, yarning, and the education experiences of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander young...
Dennis Shirley on change, wellbeing and engagement in education
14 May 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Deborah Netolicky talks with Professor Dennis Shirley about educational change, wellbeing, student engagement, and teaching. During the episode, Denni...
Victoria Showunmi on identity, gender, race and class in education
30 Apr 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Deborah Netolicky talks with Dr Victoria Showunmi about identity, racism, classism, gender equity and intersectionality in education, especially in te...
Santiago Rincón-Gallardo on living, liberating and leading learning
16 Apr 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Deborah Netolicky talks with Dr Santiago Rincón-Gallardo about what it means to liberate learning from schooling, including global examples of learni...
Amanda McKay on principals’ lives, work and wardrobes
02 Apr 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Deborah Netolicky talks with Dr Amanda McKay (formerly Heffernan) about principals’ identities, work, wellbeing, and wardrobes. Amanda, a former pub...
Adam Voigt on restorative practices and restoring teaching
19 Mar 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Deborah Netolicky talks with Adam Voigt about restorative practices, principalship, and trusting the teaching profession. Adam was a teacher and prima...
Vivienne Porritt on gender equity, impact and courage in education
05 Mar 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Deborah Netolicky talks with Vivienne Porritt OBE about impact in education, gender equity, WomenEd, and being 10% braver. Previously a teacher, secon...
Jacob Easley II on equity, agency and measurement in education
19 Feb 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Deborah Netolicky talks with Dr Jacob Easley II about equity, inclusion, culturally responsive teaching, measuring educational effectiveness, and the ...
Christian van Nieuwerburgh on coaching for optimal performance and optimal wellbeing
05 Feb 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Deborah Netolicky talks with Professor Christian van Nieuwerburgh about coaching, respectful conversations, professional growth, and teaching. Christi...
Prologue
22 Jan 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Welcome to The Edu Salon! In this preliminary episode, host and salonnière Dr Deborah Netolicky discusses the why and what of this podcast, and a lit...