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For nearly 20 years, the EPA has regulated greenhouse gases. No more.

18 Feb 2026

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Chapter 1: What is the significance of the repeal of the Endangerment Finding?

4.823 - 34.095 Dana Taylor

Last week, the Trump administration announced it was repealing a 2009 determination called the Endangerment Finding. That finding had been the basis by which the EPA had assumed the right to regulate greenhouse gases for nearly 20 years. How will its repeal impact Americans and is the Supreme Court likely to join this heated debate? Hello and welcome to USA Today's The Excerpt. I'm Dana Taylor.

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34.175 - 55.407 Dana Taylor

Today is Wednesday, February 18th, 2026. Here to help us unpack some of the legal, political, and scientific issues relating to a warming climate is Michael Girard, one of the foremost environmental lawyers in the country and a law professor at Columbia University, where he's the founder and director of the groundbreaking Sabin Center for Climate Change Law.

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55.687 - 57.25 Dana Taylor

Thank you so much for coming on, Michael.

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57.891 - 58.692 Michael Gerrard

Good to be with you.

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58.908 - 78.891 Dana Taylor

Since taking office in January of 2025, Lee Zeldin, the EPA administrator under President Donald Trump, has either repealed or significantly weakened dozens of Biden-era environmental regulations. Can you please tell me about some of the most significant ones and what their impact has been?

79.175 - 98.962 Michael Gerrard

Well, he's weakened the regulations on clean cars. There had been significant rules that required cars to be more energy efficient. California had the ability to adopt stronger standards, which were driving a push toward electric vehicles in California and other states. So all of that has been wiped out.

Chapter 2: How have recent changes to EPA regulations affected environmental standards?

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They've also taken away the standards for cleaning up power plants.

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103.525 - 110.833 Dana Taylor

As you know, Zeldin has also canceled many of the project grants that the EPA has traditionally funded. What are some of the biggest ones?

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111.313 - 129.212 Michael Gerrard

There were various programs to help low-income and minority communities to have rooftop solar, to have more energy efficiency, other areas which would reduce fossil fuel use. A lot of those have been wiped out, although much of that is being challenged in court, and we don't yet know what the final outcome will be.

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129.563 - 140.114 Dana Taylor

The big news last week was the repeal of the endangerment finding. Can you briefly give me a little context on what this finding is and how it came to be?

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140.774 - 157.191 Michael Gerrard

So Congress passed the Clean Air Act in 1970, the major federal law for cleaning up the air, which has been very successful for lots of different kinds of pollutants. But EPA, under President George W. Bush, was refusing to regulate greenhouse gases under the Clean Air Act.

157.745 - 181.584 Michael Gerrard

2007, the US Supreme Court issued a landmark decision called Massachusetts versus EPA that said that EPA did have the power to regulate greenhouse gases if they find that it poses an endangerment to public health and welfare. So EPA, under President Obama, did issue this finding, this endangerment finding that greenhouse gases do endanger public health and welfare.

182.064 - 191.096 Michael Gerrard

That became the basis for lots of regulations issued under the Obama and Biden administrations. And now EPA under President Trump has canceled that.

191.756 - 197.083 Dana Taylor

Michael, what's the Trump administration's main legal justification for these changes?

Chapter 3: What historical context led to the Endangerment Finding?

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We used to think that they were going to argue that the science of climate change was too unsettled, but they seem to have dropped that argument wisely.

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206.475 - 233.887 Michael Gerrard

And instead, they're saying that the regulation of greenhouse gases is such a major thing with important political and economic significance that EPA can't do it without explicit congressional authorization, even if the words of the Clean Air Act would seem that EPA could do that. Another major argument is that the emissions of greenhouse gases from motor vehicles in the U.S.

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233.947 - 248.434 Michael Gerrard

are such a small part of the global climate problem that it's not going to make any difference. Although, in fact, if U.S. transportation emissions were a country, it would be the sixth largest greenhouse gas emitting country in the world.

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248.971 - 267.233 Dana Taylor

Across the U.S., there's quite a bit of other litigation happening at the state and local level in relation to global warming and climate change. We spoke with some youth activists in Montana a couple of years ago who sued the Bureau of Land Management and won in order to curtail that state's oil and gas leasing process.

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267.753 - 274.962 Dana Taylor

Broadly speaking, Michael, are these cases proving successful in supporting efforts to fight climate change? And if so, how?

275.161 - 301.758 Michael Gerrard

Well, some of them are. Montana has in its state constitution an environmental rights provision, and that led to an important trial a couple of years ago saying that the state was violating its state constitution by ignoring climate change. Hawaii has a similar provision, and there was a settlement in a lawsuit last year in which Hawaii agreed to clean up its transportation system.

302.399 - 317.5 Michael Gerrard

New York and Pennsylvania also have similar laws, and those are now being litigated. In addition, there are about two dozen lawsuits around the country brought by states and cities against the fossil fuel companies seeking money damages for climate change.

Chapter 4: What legal arguments does the Trump administration use to justify regulatory changes?

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Those have been going on for almost 20 years. We don't have final decisions yet. We'll see what happens in those.

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325.032 - 327.696 Dana Taylor

And how are environmental activists responding?

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328.334 - 354.055 Michael Gerrard

Well, environmental advocates are obviously outraged, and we're soon going to see lawsuits in the Federal Circuit Court in DC challenging this action by the endangerment finding. That'll probably make its way to the Supreme Court, and we'll see what happens there. But meanwhile, there's activity in a lot of the states. The states continue to have the power to regulate greenhouse gases.

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354.035 - 367.33 Michael Gerrard

not from motor vehicles. That's preempted. But in stationary resources, lots of other things, states still have the power. And many states are using that power to regulate their emissions and to encourage more renewable energy.

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367.891 - 378.523 Dana Taylor

What is the scientific community saying about climate change and the regulation of greenhouse gases today? And has that changed significantly from what they were saying 20, 30 years ago?

378.875 - 390.688 Michael Gerrard

Well, in 2019, when the endangerment finding was first issued, there was a ton of scientific evidence that fossil fuels were the principal cause of climate change and that climate change was having terrible problems.

Chapter 5: Are state-level lawsuits effective in combating climate change?

391.089 - 416.526 Michael Gerrard

There's now 10 tons of evidence showing that. The Trump administration did bring in a group of six well-known contrarian scientists to issue a report saying climate change isn't so bad. A recent federal court decision said that committee was illegally formed. And many scientists, including the group put together by the National Academies of Science,

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wrote a devastating report attacking that Trump administration study. So the scientific consensus is very clear that climate change is happening, will have terrible impacts, and it's mostly from fossil fuel combustion.

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430.451 - 438.345 Dana Taylor

And can you help me get some perspective on how the U.S. compares with the rest of the world on efforts to fight climate change?

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438.528 - 462.73 Michael Gerrard

The U.S. had been a leader in the effort and under President Obama played a major role in the Paris Agreement, a big international agreement reached in 2015. But President Trump withdrew us from the Paris Climate Agreement in his first term. Biden put us back. Trump has withdrawn us again. So the U.S. is now not only

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Chapter 6: What is the current scientific consensus on climate change?

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no longer leading the effort, but it's leading the effort in the other direction. It's pushing back and it's trying to inhibit other countries from acting on climate change.

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The next UN climate change conference will be in Turkey this November. Where do we leave off with the last conference, COP 30? And what's the realistic expectation for this coming one?

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483.926 - 507.139 Michael Gerrard

In the last conference, which was held in Brazil, the US joined with Saudi Arabia and Russia and some other countries to try to slow down action on climate change. And I think they'll do that again. So much of the rest of the world led by Europe is going forward, but the U.S. is going in the opposite direction.

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Finally, with regards to the legal status of all these climate change-related lawsuits we've discussed today, what keeps you up at night, Michael, and what gives you the most hope?

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518.6 - 549.978 Michael Gerrard

So the world is on track to be much hotter than the scientists say we need to be in order to avoid catastrophic impacts of climate change. We really need to hasten the transition away from fossil fuels toward cleaner energy. And the most encouraging thing to me is the growth of technological progress. Solar and wind and batteries are becoming much more effective, much cheaper.

550.859 - 554.765 Michael Gerrard

They are really helping to transform the global energy system.

Chapter 7: How is the U.S. positioned in the global fight against climate change?

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There's also a lot of technological development with nuclear, and we're hoping that these technologies will get to the point of commercialization where we have abundant, safe electricity that all of us can use.

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Michael, thank you again for joining me on the excerpt. It's good to speak to you.

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573.68 - 574.081 Michael Gerrard

Thank you.

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574.582 - 589.41 Dana Taylor

Thanks to our senior producer, Kaylee Monahan, for production assistance, our executive producers, Laura Beatty. Let us know what you think of this episode by sending a note to podcasts at usatoday.com. Thanks for listening. I'm Dana Taylor. I'll be back tomorrow morning with another episode of USA Today's The Excerpt.

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