Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
Hello, everyone. I'm Kaylee McEnany, along with Harold Ford Jr., Jesse Waters, Dana Perino, and Greg Gutfeld. It's 5 o'clock in New York City, and this is The Five. We bring you this Fox News alert. We are in week two of Operation Epic Fury as the U.S. military in Israel continue to decimate the Iranian terror regime at a furious clip.
CENTCOM reports over 5,000 targets struck in Iran and 50 Iranian vessels damaged or destroyed. White House Press Secretary Caroline Leavitt telling reporters that the operation ends when Iran can no longer back up their death to America threats.
Ten days in, this campaign has been a resounding success thus far, and America's warriors are winning this important fight at an even faster pace than we anticipated. When President Trump says that Iran is in a place of unconditional surrender, he's not claiming the Iranian regime is going to come out and say that themselves.
What the president means is that Iran's threats will no longer be backed by a ballistic missile arsenal that protects them from building a nuclear bomb in their country. And Iran chose this path to death and destruction. Iran wanted to attack the United States of America, and the president was not going to sit back and allow that to happen.
President Trump talking to Trey Yinks, laying out the rationale for the strikes on Iran. He said, quote, no other president had the guts to do it. I don't want some president who hasn't gotten the courage in five years or in 10 years to go in. It's like a gunslinger where he draws his gun first.
And the liberal media is having a crash out over Epic Fury by dusting off the old Russia, Russia, Russia card. According to the Kremlin, in the middle of all that, President Donald Trump called Vladimir Putin. and talked to him for an hour. And we only learned about that phone call because the Kremlin told us about it. The White House didn't announce it. The Kremlin did.
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Chapter 2: What is Operation Epic Fury and its significance?
Was it even in the White House calendar that today was the day Trump was supposed to check in with his boss? Trump said the war will only stop after Iran's unconditional surrender, to which Iran replied, that's a dream America should take to their grave. Okay, that's spooky. And metal is hell. Basically, we are sending people in to lose their lives. Yes. Because we've seen how how fighting goes.
I was reading an old Guardian article about Maddow's history on Russia, Greg. She implied press briefings were orchestrated by the Kremlin. Never the case. I can tell you that from firsthand experience that a strike in Syria she concurred might have been at the behest of Vladimir Putin and alongside him. Do they actually believe we have no memory of the past 10 years?
No one should be going to Matt Al Colbert or The View for any kind of foreign policy or even domestic expertise. The View is actually considered a news program by ABC. That's like considering Jimmy Kimmel a comedy show. But it's a reminder that you should ā when you hear these people say things and you feel like it's penetrating you, remind yourself ā
Chapter 3: How does the U.S. military's strategy impact Iran?
what their stances were on Joe Biden's competence, on Russian collusion, on trans, on crime, on Hunter's laptop, on the border. They were wrong on everything. And this is why, and this is actually, this is not a great thing, but it feels like Trump has no loyal opposition.
You know, nobody nobody could take the Democrats seriously and nobody could take the media seriously because they surrendered all their credibility during the Biden years. So you can't no one is required to take them seriously. So there's like this open road where Trump feels like he can do this. What he plans on doing, because no one's going to take them seriously.
I think I said this to you, that there was like there was a there's a new duopoly shaping where the legacy. So here is a Trump White House. And this would have been the legacy media. They're gone, completely gone. And what's replacing it is independent media. So these are like the people that I actually trust, who I disagree completely with.
I disagree with Greenwald, Tim Dillon, Red Scare, Joe Rogan on this topic. But they're not beholden to anybody. They're not covering for anybody. So I would I take their criticism to heart. It penetrates me. But nothing I get from mainstream media. It's like rain hitting the windshield of a Humvee. I don't feel it.
The media has to realize what they've done by completely abdicating their calling to their career in terms of backing Biden and demonizing the other guy. They've left this open road. And Trump is going right through it. If the media had been honest for the past 10 years instead of gaslighting us on all of these issues that I mentioned, they could offer credible criticism and we could listen.
But they didn't. And we can't. So it doesn't matter. You know, Dana, and you look at what's coming out of Iran. They told President Trump to be careful. You could find yourself eliminated. Asked about U.S. ground troops potentially. They said, no, we are waiting for them. I mean, it's incredible.
I mean, it's a country of 100 million people about, and they, the IRGC, which surrounds the regime and protects them and suppresses the people, they're going to fight back. General Dan Cain said that this morning. He says, yeah, they're fighting, and I expected them to. And they might have more in where... More missiles hidden.
That was one of the suggestions that perhaps are holding back to wait for something else. But the trajectory is quite amazing. What our military has been able to do to degrade the possibility or the capacity of Iran to attack their neighbors and their own people is quite extraordinary. That is nothing short of extraordinary.
And of course, that includes a lot of intel, not only from our side, but from the Israelis as well. And don't forget, I think that it's important. It's not just been this past 10 days, but Iran's.
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Chapter 4: What are President Trump's views on Iran's threats?
I do not want them to get a nuclear weapon either. So he did Operation Midnight Hammer. And yet still Iran wouldn't stop. So I'm not at all surprised that they're like, oh, yeah, we're so big and brave. We're going to say that the president ought to watch himself. They already tried to kill him before. And previous presidents, too. And many other Americans they did kill or maim.
So they are a little bit getting what they deserve. One thing I would just say that I still think is unfortunate, curious, and I hope that we get this turned around the next 36 hours. It's that. There's so little capability for the people inside Iran to communicate right now. We don't know what they're saying, what they're seeing. We don't have video from inside.
They can't communicate in and out. And so that, to me, is something I would love, especially as a news organization, to be able to show people what is happening inside.
Chapter 5: How is media coverage affecting public perception of the conflict?
Yeah, no, that's a great point for sure. And, Jesse, looking at the MAGA base, there was a lot of conversation when this happened 12 days ago. What's the MAGA base going to do? Well, there's some polling out, and it's YouGov, and you see Republicans overall moved up from 68 percent support Trump to 76 percent on this. The MAGA base, 85 percent support Trump.
He has a lot of trust and has earned a lot of goodwill. Yeah, you can disagree with the war, but not the war effort. We are accelerating these bombing runs, and their offensive output is collapsing. You have to look at it honestly, like these two colleagues to my left said. Everything that the Iranians have tried has failed.
They tried to have a war of attrition, hunker down, let us run out of munitions and interceptors. That didn't work. They tried to hit the Arab allies. All it did was force them into America's arms. And then they tried to jack up the price of oil so the base felt the pain at the pump and the market could pressure Trump to take a knee. That didn't happen. The market is stabilized.
Oil is down to 80 bucks a barrel. And right now the straits open. It's not completely, but they are moving tankers. And we have things we can do there. We can use ships as sentries. We could do escorts or we could seize Carg Island and just like turn off the revenue with a little spigot.
When Trump and Hegseth say that we're only just getting started or, oh, they ain't seen nothing yet, that's not saying the war is going to last forever. That's a psyop to the Iranians to say we're holding a lot back. We could be hitting their electrical grids, bridges everywhere. oil depots, what we're doing is that they act stupid. We're going to reserve those targets for that punishment.
Right now, we're almost executing this war compassionately. This thing could be much, much bigger. The timing of the war is really intelligent because if you see the volley of these drones and ballistic missiles, imagine five years from now how much blood and treasure the American alliance would have to spend to busting down these barrages to take out the nuclear program.
Their goal was to build a shield around it so we couldn't even consider the strike. People have to be a little bit more patient. We took 10 years to nail bin Laden, two years for Milosevic, eight months for Gaddafi, nine months for Saddam. Hitler died after six years. We got this guy in 50 seconds. You have to acknowledge how great that was. Yeah, a massive success. No doubt about it.
And Harold, when you look at the idea of Iran getting nuclear weapons, that would essentially insulate them. You at that point couldn't attack Iran. That's why I agree with Jesse the time when you had to do this. I don't I don't think there's any doubt it's going to be with you today as well. The I'd say a couple of things. And I agree with largely my colleagues to my left here.
I heard General Kane this morning today, and I thought he gave the clearest, most coherent, most understandable explanation for what we're doing. And I would hope when he said we need to in their missile ballistic launch capabilities, we need to ensure to Kayleigh's point they get no nuclear weapon.
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Chapter 6: What are the implications of Iran's military actions on U.S. interests?
All of them are not older members who are looking to retire because of age. Some of them just don't want to be there any longer for a variety of other reasons. The electorate is looking for answers and looking for ideas and looking for solutions to the challenges they face every day in their lives.
And, you know, I would say to President Trump, if you want to be a war president, Roosevelt and Truman and Reagan, who won the Cold War, I'd go back and study some of those things. And Democrats who want to beat a president in a midterm who's popular, go back and look at the kinds of things that Gingrich did back when he was able to win in 94. I've won the Republicans.
I'd go back and look what Democrats were able to do in 98. These are things that, again, will be instructed. Just the partisan stuff won't work. You're not appealing to a partisan electorate. You're appealing to a struggling electorate. So get answers and ideas. I would argue both sides should be doing that. Kayleigh, you've maintained that Kamala Harris is going to run.
Anything change your mind here? No, because I think she looks at the polls and she sees herself at the top. And that's very hard. I mean, I agree. Everyone has a healthy view of themselves in presidential politics, President Trump and Kamala Harris included. So I think she looks at that and she wants to run. I do agree. And you've made the point about donors.
Maybe there's going to be challenges with Democratic donors. That could potentially be a nail in a coffin for a Kamala Trump run. Maybe she runs and maybe it's short. But I know the nation is better off that she is not president right now. And look no further than her statements.
October 7th, 2024, if you dig through the 60 Minutes footage, not what was aired, but the unaired portions, you find that she was asked who the greatest adversary we have is. She said, well, for different reasons, we should be thoughtful about each. But most recently, obvious one that comes to mind is Iran. Iran has American blood on it, on its hands. So she says that in October of 2024.
And then Sunday, she comes out. Donald Trump's dragged us into a war. People don't want his put troops in harm's way. So all of a sudden, her view of Iran has changed or shifted. That's politics, maybe. But she would not have had the courage to do this. She wouldn't have had the courage to do Maduro. You had Trump took out Maduro in January, took out the Ayatollah in February.
He's averaging one dictator per month at this rate. And the world's better off for it. I think that obviously there are many Democrats would like everyone to be talking about them. Right. But I have a feeling that most of the conversation is going to be about one Democrat in particular, at least for the next few months.
And that is James Tallarico in Texas, because he is going to become the Republicans will try to make sure that he's the one everyone's talking about. He is creepy. I don't like, you know, liberals like there's that old saying Republicans think you're wrong or conservatives think you're wrong. Liberals think you're evil. I try to stay on my side of that lawn.
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Chapter 7: How are polling results reflecting Republican support for Trump?
You know, who told you this was coming, ladies? Don't be burdened, Dana, about what is unbendurned. And I told you so, Jesse. Helen Keller could have read that room better. She reminded me of every drunk bureaucrat on a police body camera on the side of the road going, you know, I can get you fired. Don't you know who I am? Don't you know who I am?
She did a don't you know who I am out of the funeral version. I saw this cover. Shut it. They'd only listen to her. Yeah. When the Democrats say they're looking for someone normal, does that also just translate to common sense? Sure. And they don't have it. So I'm going to pretend I'm a Democrat donor. Deep pockets like Harold. Dark money. Who do I give money to? Right. Money.
Do you give it to Harris? You can't. She's cut off. You can't trust her. Do you give it to AOC? You can't give it to her. She's going to raise your taxes. Do you give it to Gavin? Not a serious guy selling knee pads. Real politicians sell watches and steaks and water. Bibles. Bibles. You can't give it to Mayor Pete because he's too gay. Not my words. Harris's.
Can't give it to Shapiro, too Jewish. Again, not my words. This is Harris. So you're actually now having to wait to give until the debates. That's when you have to decide when to give. And no one has knockout power. So you're going to have to wait longer until the primaries. And again, no one's a Biden with knockout power that can clear the field as the establishment.
So you might have to just sit back and wait until the convention. Because last time you got burned and you got to be smart with your money, like dark money. And so this thing could go all the way to the convention, and it's going to be fun because the five is going to be there. That's right. We're going to be there live. I already booked my flight. Yeah, 24-hour straights.
Okay, coming up, a showdown in Congress over a Biden-era attempt to queer the maps. Their words, not mine. No way Biden tried to turn the maps gay. A Republican lawmaker quizzing a current State Department official over how Biden era grants were used for stuff like queering the maps. Roll it, Anders. Can you tell me what is queering the map? So I think we were trying to make the maps more gay.
Literally? How do you make a map more gay? Or gay at all? Since the age of cartography, we've had pretty good maps, but maybe they weren't gay enough. So I know also I took critical theory in college. I think sometimes people use queer as a verb. I do understand that the maps that we were trying to make gay were, I think, of Czechia and Slovakia. So maybe those countries asked for it.
I doubt it, but I don't know. Well, I know how to make a map more gay, Dana. I just highlight the brunch spot. This is basically referring to a grant related to an LGBT community building in Chechya. I've never heard of that place. Chechya? Is it Chechnya? Like in Russia? No. It's Chechnya without Chechnya. I don't know. It's weird. You know what? I don't think it exists.
You know what had a different... You know what? I may be dead naming it. Anyway, Slovakia. Okay. So basically, it allowed a student to travel and create an online interactive map of Chechnya and Slovakia. Got 72 grand for it. So that's where the... I think the message here is this is where the money is going. It's not for American interest. But... Remember Doge? Yes.
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