Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
Hello, everyone. I'm Kaylee McEnany, along with Kennedy, Jesse Waters, Dana Perino, and Greg Gutfeld. It's 5 o'clock in New York City, and this is The Five. We bring you this Fox News alert, some stunning new twist on day 11 of the search for Nancy Guthrie. Investigators racing against the clock and they returned to both Nancy and Annie Guthrie's homes this afternoon.
Two officials were seen leaving Annie's house with a bag in their hand and they checked the mailbox as well. Now, every second counts as they try to track down this person you are seeing on the screen caught on camera on Nancy Guthrie's porch the night she went missing. Last night, a person was detained for questioning but has been released.
However, FBI Director Kash Patel says the bureau is looking at multiple persons, plural, of interest. I do believe we are looking at people who, as we say, are persons of interest. But as you know, with any investigation, you are a person of interest until you're either eliminated or you're actually found to be the culprit or the culprit's involved. And that's the stage we're at right now.
Let's go to Alicia Acuna, who is on the ground in Tucson. Alicia. Hi, Kayleigh. The New York Post is now reporting that the FBI has found a black glove about a mile and a half from Nancy Guthrie's home, and it was found in the shrubbery. There was a search today, and I'll get into that in just a moment.
But for right now, I want to discuss a little of the activity that our cameras caught at Annie Guthrie's home. They were here for just a short period of time. There were a
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Chapter 2: What new developments are there in the search for Nancy Guthrie?
A couple of hours ago, an unmarked SUV pulled up. Two men walked inside. They were there for maybe 15 minutes. They appeared to be agents of some sort, but it's also possible they are part of the Guthrie private security. Our producer shouted questions, didn't get any answers. But one of the men carried out a couple of bags from the home and the other was wearing underwear. Latex gloves.
We've reached out to the FBI for confirmation on whether this was part of the investigation or something else. Earlier today at Nancy Guthrie's home, this man drove up to the property and left some sort of signage with a sheriff's deputy. He told a local TV station he was a private investigator for the family. This is the first time we've heard of the Guthrie's hiring a private investigator.
Also today, we have video of FBI agents who were out today in the area just to the north and surrounding streets of Nancy's house. The bureau confirming in a statement this morning, numerous FBI agents were conducting an extensive search along multiple roadways in the Catalina Foothills area related to the Nancy Guthrie investigation.
Last night, law enforcement briefly detained a man in Rio Rico, Arizona, south of Tucson. Matt Finn reports the FBI tells Fox News Carlos Palazuelos was not pinpointed solely off of that footage of a person on Nancy Guthrie's Nest Cam. Kaylee Palazuelos tells Fox News that the FBI took his phone, may still have it, so we will await updates on that as well. Kaylee? Alicia, thank you.
Let's bring in former NYPD inspector and current Fox News contributor Paul Morrow in Tucson. Paul, I'm looking at this New York Post reporting. Apparently, there's images, according to the New York Post, of these investigators pulling the glove, the black glove, which resembled that in the video, from the shrubbery. Curious, is this connected to that Catalina Foothills search?
And second, can they get DNA off this glove? Well, if it is, in fact, one of the gloves that the perpetrator wore at the scenes, then, of course, this would be a very, very big break because of the possible DNA analysis that we've talked about. Kayleigh, you and I have talked about it many times. It's the question I asked at the press conference, which was, Will you use the IgG DNA?
That is the DNA that is familial. And so you have a much, much greater shot of getting to somebody who is linked to your suspect as opposed to a one-to-one hit, which is a very, very remote possibility.
that said that said the idea that they've only found one glove uh it's pretty far from the scene and the fact that somebody who was very clearly extremely cautious he was robed up foot to head to make sure in fact i think he was uh had two hoods on just to make sure he didn't leave any dna he throws one glove out the window as he leaves the scene it's a little bit much to believe at this point but
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Chapter 3: Who are the persons of interest in Nancy Guthrie's case?
perps do crazy things that are inexplicable. And this would be a big, big break. And I'm sure it is related to that search. Paul, thank you. One last question, and then we're going to broaden it out in the table here. There was some new reporting from Matt Finn that the look of the individual alone in the camera is not what led to the detainment of Carlos.
I would have suspected that because they would have had to have a search warrant. Any indication as to what the other information was? Not really. I'd heard that there is, you know, potentially some digital stuff. This is what I'm reading into that. He's a delivery driver. And they asked him, in fact, Matt Finn asked him directly, have you delivered to the house in question?
And he said something like I very well might have. So I had a guess and I'm guessing I would think that they did some sort of a digital search relative to either people who have delivered to that place. or people who have maybe put it into a mapping service, one of the mapping apps to see if they can find their way to it. And they might have got a hit on him.
And so the confluence of those factors got them enough to get over the hump for the federal search warrant. But remember something else, too. You know, in a ransom situation, a kidnapping, There's probable cause and then there's probable cause. And I would argue that in a pressured situation like this where a woman's life is on the line, that bar comes down a bit.
So we do have to bear that in mind. But it sounds like there was more than one factor. A couple of things likely came together. But as of now, he's not under arrest. Dana, I mean, I'm looking at this picture of the glove at The New York Post and we hope it's the perpetrator's glove. But we've seen what we thought was a detainment that led to nothing. And it's also 11 days later.
So, I mean, well, if that's the case and they just found it, that would be kind of strange.
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Chapter 4: What evidence has been found near Nancy Guthrie's home?
But we have they haven't had bad weather either. So that might be the case. I would also ask this, Paul, can you help us make sense of this? These ransom notes that are going to TMZ on Newsroom this morning. Harvey Levin said an hour and a half ago, we just got another one. And but it was somebody who said that they know who the kidnappers are, but they're also asking for Bitcoin.
And maybe that all rings true to some. And for me, I find it just a little bit hard to believe. I wonder if you have a better sense of that. Now, I'm with you. You know, the audience for this case is unfortunately global. And so you talk about millions of people who are following this, and all you need is a few knuckleheads who want to pile on.
The even first two that had the Bitcoin wallet, the first two e-mails, had the patina of a ransomware case to me. It's very similar to how the ransomware gangs operate from behind Russia, and they're impossible to get to.
And the fact that they were just so completely unwilling to provide any signs of life, any images, something from inside the house that they saw, because the stuff that they did provide was very, very thin and potentially gleanable, I would argue, from media reports. So I lean against all of these letters until I'm shown otherwise
I don't know why they put the money into the account, maybe to just see if it works, maybe to see if it provided an alert to him. And so somehow or other, they could see a packet move to him that said, hey, there's money in the account. Some some deep dive thing that they did in the cyber world. I don't see how 300 bucks would entice him to come forward and smoke him out.
And there's also the possibility. that it is bad guys, as I said, who are normally stealing identities and stuff. And they just went back to businesses as usual. And the 300 bucks that's in the account is them selling identities because their attempt at this ripoff didn't work. Jesse.
Paul, again, we're seeing investigators back at the sister's house and we're seeing images of them taking things from the house. At this point, after a week and a half, what items could they possibly be taking away from Annie's house? Yeah, it's a good question because they've been all over the place there.
I actually lean towards it being investigators that have been hired by private security, that is, that have been hired by the Guthrie family. Here's why. The information we've had on the scene here, they haven't been in that house in a good while now. And my information is that they are outside the city someplace, but not that far off. They don't want to show themselves.
They don't want to come into town. They know all the media is out here. And so my read is that those are people who are just they sent people in to get supplies for them and the clothes and stuff. And they are being very cautious.
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Chapter 5: How is the FBI conducting the investigation into Nancy Guthrie's disappearance?
And I understand what you're saying. If one of the primary victims here says, OK, I'll volunteer to do this. You know, let's see what happens with others. I get that you're trying to smoke people out that might be close to the situation. But I think a good way to smoke out people that are close to the situation is to offer a life changing reward.
I understand we don't want to incentivize people to kidnap in the future. Of course, I get that. But at this point, with an 84 year old woman missing for a week and a half. I think you're at the point where you got to do something that's fairly extreme. So as far as Savannah doing that, obviously, that's going to be her personal call. I don't know if they've discussed it.
It may argue that inside the family, they are perfectly happy with the way things have gone in terms of the investigation. Obviously, they haven't gotten their mother. But I'm going to the idea that the family has been cooperative, and inside the family, they must feel that everybody is being forthright, and that's not where the investigation should go.
Paul, we heard a lot yesterday the phrase tickling the wire, which is a phrase that I am unfamiliar with, but apparently is very common in law enforcement lexicon. So we have this big break in terms of the picture, the images, the video that we saw yesterday. Did that tickle the wire? Was there a bombardment to the two phone numbers we have up on the screen constantly? And how
How do they sift through the information to actually find those persons of interest? Yeah, so generally tickling the wire is used in the wiretap context. You know, you have a wiretap that isn't really producing a whole heck of a lot.
And you have an investigation ongoing and you do something outside the wiretap to get the bad guys talking about what happened on the wire so that you can hear their reaction and you move the whole thing forward. And that usually do that with an undercover or an informant who is under your control. In this case, it's a slightly different context, tickling the wire here.
I think the closest thing to that sort of analogy is what they did with the Bitcoin, assuming that that was, in fact, the FBI to put the 300 bucks in. Like I said, I think they were probably hoping to tickle the Bitcoin wire, so to speak, to get him either reaching in for the, you know, paltry amount of money.
Or maybe, as I said, seeing an alert go out or seeing him log in to check if it's there or something like that, give them a data point to work with. And the other thing, of course, that could tickle the entire wire of the investigation writ large was the release of those videos. And they had to do that. And understand, that's not an easy decision to make.
We've seen it in a number of cases recently, like Tyler Robinson. They didn't want to necessarily put out that video and alert him that, hey, we have images of you who have did this to Charlie Kirk. But they made the mature decision to say, yeah, people are going to say we couldn't solve it. The public solved it. Who cares? You put it out if it's going to end this thing.
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Chapter 6: What role does private investigation play in the search for Nancy Guthrie?
They put it out. Hopefully they can get more. There's an argument that what they did here, they're going to be able to continue to go forward with. do more of decoding of those code packets that ultimately produce video that they were able to recover from the cache in the Wi-Fi. And maybe you're going to get more from that camera. Maybe you could get audio. Nest cameras have audio.
You could hear his voice. There's other cameras there. Maybe some of those other cameras are going to produce. We know at least one other camera
alerted at some point after that camera i'm sure they're scraping hard at that this stuff's not easy google did it in 10 days i'm sure they put their best foot forward went at the thing that they thought was going to be most productive but now i'm sure they're trying to get at other stuff and so yeah and it may tickle the wire of somebody coming forward and saying i see enough of that guy's walk which is always very distinctive that's what i'd be interested in if we could get even if he's all masked up if we get three seconds of him really walking clearly
I think that there's a very good chance you're going to get somebody to say, I absolutely know who that is. Let's hope we get that. Paul, thank you. Well, coming up next, President Trump defies the experts with some blockbuster jobs numbers that even the liberal media could not deny. This is Ainsley Earhart. Thank you for joining me for the 52-episode podcast series, The Life of Jesus.
A listening experience that will provide hope, comfort, and understanding of the greatest story ever told. Listen and follow now at foxnewspodcasts.com or wherever you listen to podcasts. There's a big star at Banana Joe's bar where she sang karaoke every night. So the Democrats who are feeling good about their midterm chances cannot deny that President Trump got some strong jobs numbers today.
The U.S. economy adding one hundred and thirty thousand jobs in January that doubled expectations and unemployment coming in at four point three percent that also beat expectations. And even some folks in the media admitted it was good news. This is being seen as good news even on Wall Street. This is a hot jobs report. I mean, there's really nothing in this not to like.
Polls do suggest that Americans have their questions about deportations and even the work of Doge, but certainly the jobs report higher than expected. That is undeniable. Nobody's going to rain on my parade, and these numbers are what they are. All these naysayers steeped in politics continue to be negative. That's okay. Because 50K says you've all been wrong.
President Trump telling Larry Kudlow he's confident of Republican success in the midterms. But of course, it's all about how you sell it. If we can get the word out, we should win. The problem is that historically, two times the president's won in 50 years. Two times. I don't know what that is. We have the hottest country in the world.
I guess I have to sell that because we should win in a landslide and we'll do everything we can to do it. So it's not just good jobs numbers. Crime's also down. But will President Trump get credit for that? Axios posted and then deleted this tweet. Crime plunges in major cities despite Trump's crackdown rhetoric. OK, let's do maybe jobs first. Jesse, better. One hundred thirty thousand up.
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Chapter 7: What are the implications of ransom notes related to Nancy Guthrie's case?
If he was a Democrat, the media would cover this guy as like this economic miracle. But... The country is a little traumatized from Bidenomics, so he has to be sensitive about the fact that the golden age is not going to happen overnight. But if he just keeps hammering this thing and hammering this thing, we will get to the promised land soon enough. All right, Greg, what do you think?
Yeah, I was just listening to Jesse, and I have to say, it's kind of amazing the numbers that you talk about with crime and 50,000 stock market. It's amazing. The numbers don't lie, but people do. Like an inch is always an inch until you ask a guy how tall he is. Or, you know, pound is a pound until you escalate your weight, which you shouldn't. Never do that.
So the Axios thing is a great example. You know, they admit that the crime is dropping, but then they add that word despite. So they note the numbers. They change the story with the hope that that becomes the narrative for the rest of the discredited media. But they got this is the great thing about social media. We say social media is bad, but that didn't last. Right.
Now, in the old days, before X was sold, that thing would have been – it would have been the bat signal, the conformity trigger. Like, okay, this is the story you're going to run with. It'll help you explain the number. The Times would do it, the Washington Post, everybody. Republicans, however, they can report real numbers when the Democrats were in power. So they didn't have to do this.
You looked at the millions that were streaming in undocumented across the border. You saw the murder rates. You saw the amount of overdoses. You didn't have to fudge it at all. So the Dems, what did they do then? They just avoided those numbers. The media avoided those numbers. They wanted plausible deniability. It's like, hey, as long as we're in the dark,
You know, we can't say we knew and did these policies anyway. Also, if they actually admitted to these numbers, they'd have to abandon their policies or they'd be just psychotic and throw themselves off a bridge. It's still a challenge for Trump. That's the thing. He said, I guess I got to sell it. Yeah, that's the point.
You got to sell it because we just explained to you that they're not going to buy it. The media is going to do everything they can. Those are amazing numbers and they're going to make them look bad. So you have to persuade and to reason at the same time, but not to the media, to the people. And we're probably the only like network and the only show that is like saying directly what's going on.
And if you look at, I mean, other places, they'll just be like, oh, I had no idea. Also, I think, Kennedy, they have to continue to step on the gas, so to speak. So the deregulations that have been helpful so far, like keep going. Wait, you see my one more thing today. I'm going to add one for you. I hope we don't have time about it.
Tax season is coming and they're expecting everybody to have some sort of a cut or at least have the larger, larger return than they've had in many years. Yes. And refunds, things like that definitely help people. And that's also what helps independent voters put.
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Chapter 8: How does the public's interest affect the investigation of Nancy Guthrie?
Why would you? that leads to a housing crunch for homebuyers in this country. But if people feel it in their taxes, if people see it at the gas pump, and they also feel it in prices, then their economy has improved. Then those messages tend to resonate more.
So if you've got crime that's coming down and an economy that's improving, I would be very interested to see what Democrat messaging is, because it's really, really tough to run against that. Kaylee, I noticed, I mean, obviously, feel free to talk about anything you wanted, but I noticed that in Orlando and Tampa, places that you know pretty well, they had a 50% decline in homicides.
And they weren't the only city, but that was notable to me. 50% is quite a bit. Yes, because those are jurisdictions that partner with the Trump administration. Rather than trying to stand in opposition, Governor Ron DeSantis has been a great partner to President Trump.
You know, one of the things that's not covered often, which I've got to say I'm thrilled about as a mom, and I can't believe it's not covered, is that this is the lowest rate of school shootings in four years. You can see the headline on Education Weekly, fewest incidents and deaths in four years.
I asked Kash Patel about that, and he's literally detailed for me stories where in New York City there was a report someone put out online on social media that they were going to shoot up a school. Within two hours, the FBI was there, found a gun in the young man's backpack and averted what could have been a crisis at a New York City school. Those stories don't get enough attention.
They should, because I think I speak for every mother in America when I say thank you for making a difference there. But one thing I would note today, and we talked about this earlier in the week, Dana, when you're putting out 20 messages from the White House, a lot gets lost. But today's a great example. There was a lot going on at the White House, but you didn't see most of it.
Prime Minister Netanyahu, that meeting was behind closed doors. So what got attention? The president's coal message. So I think it's instructive going forward. Put the president out there strategically on something that matters, the economy, school shootings, whatever the message is, and drive it home to November.
But he's also got to get the Republican voters to pretend this is a presidential election. Because it is. It is. He's going to lose. Midterm convention. Yes. I'm for that. All right. Coming up, the socialist takeover of the Democratic Party just got some new recruits. That Dems are welcoming some new comrades in New Jersey and AOC and Bernie back.
Progressive is now just one step away from Congress after her moderate opponent conceded. And over in California, a socialist member of the L.A. City Council, whose party platform includes a plan to turn golf courses into public housing. is now launching a bid for mayor against her former ally, Karen Bass. Los Angeles is at a breaking point, and people can feel it in the most basic ways.
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