The Game with Alex Hormozi
Building a $3,500,000 Business for a Stranger in 42 Mins
Tue, 01 Apr 2025
Wanna scale your business? Click here.Welcome to The Game w/Alex Hormozi, hosted by entrepreneur, founder, investor, author, public speaker, and content creator Alex Hormozi. On this podcast you’ll hear how to get more customers, make more profit per customer, how to keep them longer, and the many failures and lessons Alex has learned and will learn on his path from $100M to $1B in net worth.Follow Alex Hormozi’s Socials:LinkedIn | Instagram | Facebook | YouTube | Twitter | Acquisition
Chapter 1: How did Trophy Outlet achieve $1.72 million in revenue?
What's up? How we doing? Good. Awesome. Let's talk about trophies. Yeah. So my name's Cody, Cody Shilson. I own Trophy Outlet. So last year we did about $1.72 million in revenue, mainly trophies and awards personalization, about $110,000 in profit, 6.4% net margin. And I'm third generation owner of the company. We've been in business for almost 40 years. That's amazing. Yeah. Kind of fun.
So what's the goal? The goal is $3.5 million in revenue. I really want to double revenue going into this year. This year? This year, yeah. OK. I think we can do it. So who do you help? So mainly coaches, event organizers, as well as businesses and organizations, which is like HR departments,
Chapter 2: What strategies are in place to reach $3.5 million in revenue?
business owners sales managers you know people like that okay as well as gag gift yeah purchasers I got that I got that vibe yeah okay so how do you help them so we offer free engraving fast shipping everything we do is personalized to the business or the individual something like that they go to the website to our platform purchase you know add the personalization info their logo things like that and then we fulfill it if it's a needs approval anything like that but most things ship in one to two days so
Sweet. So how do you make money? How do we make money? All right. So on our website, direct on our website, most of our products kind of land in the $100 to $150 price point. We have products that range from $4 all the way up to $900. So it's a wide range. Most popular item is a four-, five-, and six-foot trophy, which kind of lands at about $89 to $130.
And then dash plaques, which are like little car show things that guys collect when they go to car shows. And yeah, so it's kind of, we sell them for $1.25. We sell minimum 50, but we sell thousands of them a year. I haven't even heard of that. Yeah. There's like these little pieces of metal that people just, they have these big boards that they set out of car shows. It's kind of funny actually.
I'm always amazed how many ways to make money there are. Right. And that's one of the things our company was started on. So how do you get customers? Trophialis started in 1985, so almost, you know, this is our 40th year. And we've launched our Etsy business in 2019, and we did about $70,000 the first year. And then in 2013, or 2023, we launched Amazon and did about $300,000.
Chapter 3: What are the different sales channels for Trophy Outlet?
And then last year, we launched TikTok Shop, and we did about $270,000 in revenue, but $250,000 of that came in December alone. So we had a video go viral with 20 plus million views. So we went crazy. So 250 of that came in one month. So that was kind of fun. And you sold those. We sold those, yeah.
Chapter 4: How has TikTok Shop contributed to revenue growth?
And not quite family appropriate, but yeah, little death signs that people bought for their boss or whoever it was. So kind of fun. But I was a little crazy for December.
No, I love that.
And you were able to fulfill on the amount of orders that came in? Yeah. Yeah, we did about 13,000 of those. So do you have manufacturing set up? Yeah, we produce everything in-house. Oh, all right. So we engrave, cut, build it, all it, ship it. Sweet. Okay. Across four different channels, most of our clients come through. Online and internal is through SEO and Facebook ads.
We just launched Facebook ads and meta about October, November with an agency. And then Amazon, we spent about $7,100 a month between agency and ads. And then Etsy and then TikTok, still kind of figuring that one out a little bit since it all happened in December, but about $2,000 so far in ads there. Got it.
Well, how many customers have you sold so far?
Yeah. So in 2024, direct on our website, and I have this broken out per channel in a couple of slides, but total visits is about 90,000 visits to our site, about 2,500 orders. There's a 2.8% conversion rate and about 781 products. So it's a lot of products.
So do you carry all those or is everything made to order?
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Chapter 5: What are the challenges with marketing and fulfillment?
Yeah.
OK, so it's not like you're carrying a ton of inventory. You've got raw materials.
Raw materials, most of it we bring in from our vendors, kind of as we need it. We don't carry huge, huge. Except for the desk signs and stuff, we'll kind of stock those up, since they look so crazy. But that's kind of an exception to the rule. All right. Then what's been holding you back? So I think it's marketing.
Fulfillment-wise, we proved that in December, we can handle about double fulfillment. I mean, with limited complexity. So I just need more people to the site, more people buying, and we can fulfill it. And also very product heavy with low margins. So working on the margin piece, getting profits up a little bit.
Do you want to sell this company eventually? Or what's the... I mean, so do you want to double?
I haven't really had any thoughts of selling, but I want to create a business that is sellable. Yeah. So I have the option if I want to sell or not. But I would love for it to be a fourth generation business someday. Got it. If that's an option. But yeah, that's kind of the ultimate goal. All right. So how many locations do you have? Because you have brick and mortar, correct?
We have one retail location now. We have two locations total. We closed the other retail location down and it's a production only facility.
Okay.
So the other retail location... you know, does maybe $150,000 in revenue out of that location, so.
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Chapter 6: What does the future hold for Trophy Outlet?
Is there any downside to just like consolidating to the one? It's something that we're actually looking at. Consolidating and going more e-commerce and kind of cutting the retail business. Most of our stuff's e-commerce anyway, so.
I mean, online retails, I don't think it's going anywhere. And I don't think many people are like, you know what, I'm going to go to the trophy store today. Yeah, I've never heard somebody say that.
Yeah, yeah, like on my list. Or walk by, like, oh, I should go to the trophy store.
Yeah, return some videotapes and then go to the trophy store.
Right. So these are the issues. What other metrics you got?
yeah so numbers 1.72 million in revenue about 110 000 in profit uh 40 gross margin i would have expected gross margins to be higher for this business and it varies per product tons of you know like certain acrylics i was like expecting like you know one like you buy these trophies and they're like you know a dollar and you're like there's no like this is made of rubber you know but yeah okay so it just varies widely between the products and platform and stuff like that but
And net margin, about 6.4%. LTV, 133. And then CAC, 1190. LTV to CAC ratio, 11 to 1. And that's blended across all channels.
How do you come up with pricing?
I'm guessing. For the most part, or I'll look at some competitors, but there's not really good apples to apples comparison necessarily. Do you do like a cost plus or like? Yeah. So I have massive spreadsheets of all of our costs, things like that, factor in labor. And then I just kind of add my margins to it and They've slowly been trying to bring that up over the years.
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Chapter 7: How is pricing structured at Trophy Outlet?
What percentage of customers are new versus return? I would say probably just on our website and internal customers, probably 50-50. Okay, because this is a four-year-old business, so you'd think there'd be a decent amount of return. Yeah, a lot of our business, I mean, $530 in revenue comes just internal, so emails, calls, things like that. Most of that is repeat business.
Do you have very high fixed costs in this business?
Not too bad, no. Because if you have half the business comes in from word of mouth, I would expect the margins to be higher, like the net margins. Because I wonder, I just think of this as big hypothetical. It's like if we got rid of all of the new customers and we just sold the 500 and something thousand from return customers, that should be free customer acquisition.
And then we should make money.
Yeah, right.
Right. But looking at this, I'd be like, I don't know if we would make money.
Yeah, our COGs are pretty high. I do think there's a pricing issue.
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Chapter 8: What are the benefits of transitioning to e-commerce?
Yeah.
Which we'll get to. OK.
OK, this is good. But your LTV to CAC's pretty strong.
Yeah. It looks like. Yeah, it's pretty decent. And I learned that a few months ago coming here the first time, so I started increasing.
That's not like some revenue. That's where it's profit.
That's profit, yeah. Okay. Yeah. Interesting. We estimate people stay about three years, excluding Etsy, Amazon. Yeah. Those ones are a little harder to calculate, but through Trophy Outlet, they order yearly pretty consistently. We've got customers that have been with us for 30 years, you know, things like that, so. So pretty heavy repeat business there.
Once we get a customer, they're fairly sticky.
So with pricing, I'm going to I'm going to hit on this one because I'm almost positive there's a big pricing issue. Who is in charge of pricing that whole time? Like you took it over from your old, I guess he took it from his old man. So like your third generation.
Yeah, my parents ran the company. They didn't have a price structure. They just kind of.
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