The Game with Alex Hormozi
These 3 Things Will Make Your Business Unstoppable | Ep 816
Mon, 30 Dec 2024
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Chapter 1: What are the three steps to building an unstoppable business?
just do what you do and do it well and do it for a long time and it always takes longer costs more and is harder than you expect it to be but it's the expectation that was the problem not your plan Welcome back to the game. Two out of three businesses fail. Sad face. And since 2016, every business that I have founded continues to make money to this day.
And so there's a process of building an unfuckable business that you might not expect. And the first of those three steps is stop selling small customers. Let me explain. So many businesses stay small because they only serve small customers. Let me tell you a story to explain this. So there was a small gym CRM back in the day that approached me about investing.
And I asked them what their churn was. So what percentage of customers were leaving between last month and this month? And their answer surprised me. It was a much higher percentage than I expected because I thought CRM, they're processing their payments through here. They have all their memberships in there like this should be a very sticky product. And I said, so where is the churn coming from?
And they said, oh, well, about a third of the gyms go out of business every year. And I was like, wow, wait a second. So this has nothing to do with how good your product or service was. These businesses in and of themselves just stopped being in business. And so the formal language for that is called structural churn. It means it's baked into the structure of the market that you serve.
Now the question is, Is that your choice to pursue that market? And the answer is yes. And so if you're thinking about your own business, there are many business models that simply aren't fit for smaller customers. And so I'll give you a different example.
In the agency world, where you do some sort of advertising for any type of business, if you look at some of the biggest ad agencies in the world, you'll notice a common theme. They all serve the biggest customers in the world. Whereas if it were true that agencies would be best served serving small customers, then some of the biggest agencies would serve some of the smallest customers.
But that's not reality. And so in looking at this, it means that just like the CRM business, and that's arguably one of the stickiest businesses you could possibly imagine, the agencies could not keep churn down with small business owners because small business owners in and of themselves are volatile.
And so what happens is that there's many businesses like small agencies that do lead generation for small customers and continue to wonder, what do I need to do in order to make my business sticky? And they kill themselves trying to figure it out when the problem is inherent to who they serve, is that they are volatile. And as a result, your business will be volatile too. It reflects onto you.
Now, to give you an absolute hypothetical extreme here, to give you an example, Shopify is what most would consider world class or best in class for customer retention. But they serve, by and large, prosumers, meaning consumers who want to start a business. And let me give you a stat that might blow you away. 60% of their customers stay every year, but 40% leave. And that's the best in the world.
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Chapter 2: Why should businesses stop selling to small customers?
If it's B2B, it's going to be the smallest business owners. So it could be consumers becoming prosumers or prosumers becoming VSMBs, which is a very small business. And then VSMBs becoming SMBs, which is small business owners. And then you have low mid-market, mid-market, and then you go all the way up to Fortune 100 companies.
Now, my preferred way to structure a business model is to actually start at the top. And the reason for this is that because there's little operational drag, because you have fewer customers you need to take care of, they're able to spend significantly more, they are going to be around a while, and they know their numbers, and they can stick with their commitment.
So if you have a contract, for example, and they say they'll pay you $1 million a year, the likelihood they pay you is significantly higher than a beginner saying he's going to pay you $10,000 over 10 months. Very unlikely. I would make that bet. So much so that corporate debt is an entire investable asset class based on the promises that businesses make to repay things.
The cool part about this from a branding perspective is that you learn how to service these much higher end customers. And with that reputation, then there are customers who are gonna be underneath who are then going to say, you know what, I would love to be able to work with somebody who works with the Fortune 100, but I can't afford that.
You say, you know what, I can make it a little bit more affordable for you, but you're gonna get a little bit less service for that. And you can work your way down. Now here's where it gets really clever. is that as you work your way down, you're consistently making more money.
And at this point, when you go further and further down this rabbit hole, you're going to be able to spend the money it takes to create the automated solution or the software-based or technological-based solution that's going to have a near-zero cost basis for you as a business owner so that you can profitably serve this itty-bitty, these itty-bitty dollar signs here.
without the headache associated with beginners. Fundamentally, if you sell to beginners, you're going to have to either sell a really big ticket one time that's based on an emotional purchase, and you're doing what I would consider a smash and grab business. Like solar, for example, is kind of what I would consider a smash and grab business.
People go in, they sell solar, and then it's on the roof, and then that's kind of it. And so it's really just massively just trying to sell every single person that exists, and that's all there is to it.
Or you have to create something that's the price to value discrepancy is so absurd because what's crazy about this is that the price to value for poor people actually has to be higher than it is for the people at the top. Because here's the part that people miss. Think about this. There are people who cancel the $12 per month Netflix charge. Like what else could Netflix offer?
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Chapter 3: What is structural churn and how does it affect businesses?
I can either only go after gym owners who already know how to generate leads consistently, which we're talking like a tiny, tiny, tiny marketplace, and, and here's the caveat, that marketplace still can't pay that much. So bad market to go after. Small and has not a lot of money. And shrinking. Yee. Right? Not a good market. So I thought to myself, okay, well, what businesses always have lead gen?
Well, the solution came to me when an agency owner actually reached out to me. and said, hey, could I use this for my business to work the leads that I'm generating for my small business owner customers? And I was like, oh, wait a second. Well, small business owners will churn in and out of the agency services, but the agency
will stay because they will bring new customers in, use our software, and even if they churn out with them, the agency will stay with me. And so the agencies had much more reliable revenue than their base customers did because they could reliably sell 10 new customers a month to offset the 10 customers they lose or whatever.
And so many of them were still stable businesses even though they had lots of churn, which the fact that they couldn't necessarily have the skillset to grow their business wasn't necessarily a problem for me. So to the same degree with the CRM, there are some CRMs that are very successful, even that serve small business owners.
But they have to match the pricing to the spending power of that small business. Shopify, for example, probably makes more than almost any e-commerce company on the platform. We'd have to fact check it, but it's probably pretty close. And so the platform itself actually makes more than the opportunity seekers it enables.
So this is definitely one of those situations of selling the shovels rather than panning for gold. Once I realized that gym owners were not the customer and agencies were the customer, I was able to start asking agencies for the correct feedback. And that is when we were able to continue to iterate the product in a way that actually served the right customer.
So fundamentally, when it comes to product or service based businesses, there's, I would say, two schools of thought around product iteration. One is kind of the rank
and build model, which is basically, you ask your customers to just vote, upvote and downvote the potential things that all of them have asked for, and then the one that gets to the top that month, you then say, this is the one that we're gonna build, and then you do the build cycle, and then you ask it again. And this is not a bad way to do it.
It's a different way to do it and what ends up happening when you have a business like this is that you keep building more and more things. And so this can result in kind of these Frankenstein type businesses. But some customers are okay and want to have all the features. And so this is kind of like a PC versus Mac kind of product strategy difference.
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