Melinda French Gates Reveals All (Pt 2): Life-Changing Lessons on Igniting Your Courage, Hearing Your Intuition & Taking Your Power Back
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You describe how your inner voice had faded. You say, in the decade or so before my marriage fell apart, therapy made it possible for you to respond to betrayals in your marriage without betraying yourself in return.
It is hard, right? Really hard. And it's hard for everyone involved, including the kids. I felt like we had agreed on our values as a couple going into the marriage. But I got to a point where I didn't feel like I could be fully integrated and live those values in the marriage because there comes a point at which to be true to yourself, you have to do what's right, even though you may not want to.
Melinda, Melinda French Gates, how are you? Can I hug you?
Of course. I've been to Denny's many times with my kids. Have you been to Denny's? Yes, for a long time. But when they were little, they loved Denny's. Did they really? Oh yeah, the pancakes. The pancakes? Yeah.
coming up in this incredible part two episode with Melinda French Gates. She's opening up like never before. You started having dreams of a crumbling foundation.
I had this dream that I was on a cliff and my ex-husband Bill and the kids were also on the edge of the cliff, but my part of the cliff crumbled away and I was dropping down into a pit and they were still on the edge of this cliff together. And I knew, oh, this means I need to separate. and do something else. I need to figure this out, and I'm gonna be alone in figuring this out.
And sharing life-changing lessons on igniting your courage. Panic attacks. So many of us have them, and a lot of us think we're alone in them or we don't share them.
I think more people have them than we realize. I had read about them, and I remember being skeptical, like, mm. that a real thing like what is that you know i've been anxious before but um but when you have one yeah it is it's so terrifying yeah just terrifying at least for me the whole world falls away and you are just by yourself and just literally that like deer in the headlights like you can't sweaty palms can't think your heart is racing And so I think they're really important to talk about because we can also help one another and coach one another through them. Finally, your body just stops you dead in your tracks and says, this is not right, and you know it. Yeah. Do you have them now? Trusting your faith. There were times I sort of moved away from faith.
There's a beautiful, at the end of the musical Les Miserables, they say to love another person is to see the face of God.
How do you reconcile that and practice faith and also be so passionate about some of the things you believe so strongly in that maybe some people in a particular religion don't?
And so talk about an incongruency, right? And I had to really then reckon with my faith. And I just realized, wow, I need to actually unlearn some of these things because I can't square the circle.
Do you know for sure God exists? Hearing your intuition. So you have to trust.
You have to trust that something's moving through you. And taking your power back. I certainly have had times in my life where I didn't think I was worthy. I would sit at the front of the table and think, am I worthy to be here and worthy to be the one at the head of the table asking the questions, making the decisions about resources? I know there were times where people were rolling their eyes, like, you know, okay, that question she asked, that one wasn't a very good one, right? And I had to learn that, no, my voice mattered. And sometimes the question I asked turned out to be exactly the right question.
I am so excited for you, for me, for women everywhere right now because this conversation is just that incredible. I'm literally jumping out of my chair right now. Melinda French Gates is a philanthropist, businesswoman, and global advocate for women and girls. She's the founder of Pivotal Ventures, focused on accelerating social progress by removing barriers that hold people back. She also co-founded the Gates Foundation alongside her former husband, Bill Gates. Melinda's brand new book, The Next Day, Transitions, Change, and Moving Forward is out now. Make sure you pick up your copy right now. It is so good.
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