The Jamie Kern Lima Show
Melinda French Gates Reveals All (Pt 2): Life-Changing Lessons on Igniting Your Courage, Hearing Your Intuition & Taking Your Power Back
17 Apr 2025
How did therapy help Melinda respond to betrayals without betraying herself?
You describe how your inner voice had faded. You say, in the decade or so before my marriage fell apart, therapy made it possible for you to respond to betrayals in your marriage without betraying yourself in return.
It is hard, right? Really hard. And it's hard for everyone involved, including the kids. I felt like we had agreed on our values as a couple going into the marriage. But I got to a point where I didn't feel like I could be fully integrated and live those values in the marriage because there comes a point at which to be true to yourself, you have to do what's right, even though you may not want to.
Melinda, Melinda French Gates, how are you? Can I hug you?
Of course. I've been to Denny's many times with my kids. Have you been to Denny's? Yes, for a long time. But when they were little, they loved Denny's. Did they really? Oh yeah, the pancakes. The pancakes? Yeah.
coming up in this incredible part two episode with Melinda French Gates. She's opening up like never before. You started having dreams of a crumbling foundation.
I had this dream that I was on a cliff and my ex-husband Bill and the kids were also on the edge of the cliff, but my part of the cliff crumbled away and I was dropping down into a pit and they were still on the edge of this cliff together. And I knew, oh, this means I need to separate. and do something else. I need to figure this out, and I'm gonna be alone in figuring this out.
And sharing life-changing lessons on igniting your courage. Panic attacks. So many of us have them, and a lot of us think we're alone in them or we don't share them.
I think more people have them than we realize. I had read about them, and I remember being skeptical, like, mm.
that a real thing like what is that you know i've been anxious before but um but when you have one yeah it is it's so terrifying yeah just terrifying at least for me the whole world falls away and you are just by yourself and just literally that like deer in the headlights like you can't sweaty palms can't think your heart is racing
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