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1085: Traditional Chinese Medicine | Skeptical Sunday

01 Dec 2024

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From Mao to Main Street: Michael Regilio unravels the surprising story behind Traditional Chinese Medicine's global rise on this week's Skeptical Sunday! Welcome to Skeptical Sunday, a special edition of The Jordan Harbinger Show where Jordan and a guest break down a topic that you may have never thought about, open things up, and debunk common misconceptions. This time around, we’re joined by skeptic, comedian, and podcaster Michael Regilio! On This Week's Skeptical Sunday: The modern global presence of TCM (traditional Chinese medicine) is largely a result of political necessity rather than proven effectiveness. Surprisingly, it had been largely abandoned in China by the 1800s until Chairman Mao revived it in the 1960s as a solution to healthcare shortages — despite not personally believing in it himself. The scientific foundation of TCM's core concepts — chi, yin/yang balance, and meridians — remains unproven. Studies attempting to validate these practices face significant challenges, including the impossibility of true double-blind trials and concerns about data reliability, particularly in Chinese research where regulators found over 80% of clinical trial data to be fabricated. Acupuncture's effectiveness appears largely tied to the placebo effect, though this shouldn't be dismissed. Studies show "sham" acupuncture (needles placed randomly) produces similar results to "real" acupuncture, suggesting the specific placement of needles according to meridian theory may be less important than the overall experience and belief in the treatment. Cupping, while popularized by athletes like Michael Phelps, essentially creates controlled tissue damage through suction. Though it may temporarily increase blood flow, it can cause permanent skin damage if done repeatedly and may aggravate existing skin conditions. Chinese herbal medicine represents a bright spot in the TCM landscape, built on 500 million years of plant evolution and chemical development. Some traditional remedies have led to breakthrough modern treatments, like Artemisinin for malaria, showing how ancient wisdom can guide modern medical discoveries when subjected to rigorous scientific testing. This suggests that while we should approach traditional practices with skepticism, we shouldn't dismiss them entirely — instead, we can use modern scientific methods to identify and develop valuable treatments from traditional knowledge. Connect with Jordan on Twitter, Instagram, and YouTube. If you have something you'd like us to tackle here on Skeptical Sunday, drop Jordan a line at [email protected] and let him know! Connect with Michael Regilio at Twitter, Instagram, and YouTube,... See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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3.749 - 20.902 Jordan Harbinger

Welcome to Skeptical Sunday. I'm your host, Jordan Harbinger. Today, I'm with Skeptical Sunday co-host, comedian Michael Rogelio. On the Jordan Harbinger Show, we decode the stories, secrets, and skills of the world's most fascinating people and turn their wisdom into practical advice that you can use to impact your own life and those around you.

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86.696 - 105.391 Jordan Harbinger

Today, traditional Chinese medicine might have started in China, but these days it seems to be everywhere. Acupuncture is practiced worldwide, the ancient practice of cupping is growing in popularity, and herbal medicine is in pretty much every pharmacy. Everybody knows somebody who swears by one or maybe even all of these practices.

105.851 - 126.497 Jordan Harbinger

But is traditional Chinese medicine effective medicine passed on for millennia or ancient superstition here in the modern world? Today, skeptic and comedian Michael Regilio is here to express the Tao, or is it Tao? I would say Tao, of how traditional Chinese medicine works or doesn't work. How's it going, Michael? Hey, Jordan. How are you feeling today?

126.817 - 134.641 Michael Regilio

I'm feeling peachy, man. Peachy. Interesting. Did you eat peaches to become peachy? Because in traditional Chinese medicine, maybe. I don't know.

134.661 - 153.725 Jordan Harbinger

I didn't come across that. I thought you were just making a really terrible dad joke. But I know that when you eat certain things like cold or hot foods, something, something, your energy... You know what I was really getting at is, are you feeling balanced? Well, I'm not falling out of my chair. So I'm physically balanced. I have a balanced diet, a balance between work and leisure.

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