The Jordan Harbinger Show
Episodes
1308: Benn Jordan | The Surveillance State Stalking You Without Consent
07 Apr 2026
Contributed by Lukas
Over 100,000 cameras are quietly tracking your movements and feeding the data to police. Benn Jordan is here to explain why that should terrify you.Fu...
1307: Water Filters | Skeptical Sunday
05 Apr 2026
Contributed by Lukas
Is your water filter giving you something even more contaminated than what's flowing from the tap? Jessica Wynn pours us some facts on Skeptical Sunda...
1306: Bipolar Confession Could End Soldier's Pension | Feedback Friday
03 Apr 2026
Contributed by Lukas
Untreated Bipolar II keeps pulling you under, but disclosing it could cost you the military pension you've bled for. Welcome to Feedback Friday!And in...
1305: Johnathan Walton | How to Spot Scammers, Grifters, and Thieves
31 Mar 2026
Contributed by Lukas
Your emotions are a con artist's favorite weapon. Johnathan Walton lost nearly $100k to a fake friend, sent her to prison, and is here to explain how....
1304: Remote Viewing | Skeptical Sunday
29 Mar 2026
Contributed by Lukas
The US spent millions trying to create psychic spies, but this remote viewing pseudoscience never came into focus. Nick Pell explains on Skeptical Sun...
1303: Self-Invited Guest Puts Friendship to the Test | Feedback Friday
27 Mar 2026
Contributed by Lukas
A narcissistic friend ghosted you for years, then announced he's moving in — rent-free — while you and your fiancée plan a family. It's Feedback ...
1302: Mariana van Zeller | The Drug Cartels Running Small-Town America
24 Mar 2026
Contributed by Lukas
Drug cartels have quietly infiltrated rural America. Trafficked host Mariana van Zeller walks us through the underworld hiding beneath our very feet.F...
1301: Electric Vehicles | Skeptical Sunday
22 Mar 2026
Contributed by Lukas
Are electric vehicles a green revolution or just greenwashing on wheels? Nick Pell pops the hood and breaks it all down here on Skeptical Sunday!Welco...
1300: As a Cop You're No Stranger to Pal's DV Danger | Feedback Friday
20 Mar 2026
Contributed by Lukas
Your friend fled her wall-punching spouse and crashed at your place. Now she wants to go back, and your husband says to butt out. It's Feedback Friday...
1299: Laowhy86 | Decoding the Secret Slang of China's Censored Internet
17 Mar 2026
Contributed by Lukas
The China Show's Laowhy86 reveals how millions of Chinese citizens disguise dissent as puns, memes, and mythical creatures to dodge censors.Full show ...
1298: Bjorn Ekeberg | The Evidence-Backed Benefits of Red Light Therapy
16 Mar 2026
Contributed by Lukas
The red light therapy market is full of junk science and real breakthroughs. Recharge Health CEO Bjorn Ekeberg is here to separate scams from the scie...
1297: Iran | Out of the Loop
15 Mar 2026
Contributed by Lukas
Protests, missiles, and a regime on the ropes — Iran is at a turning point. Ryan McBeth explains the forces driving one of the world's most complex ...
1296: Saving Bro's Soul from Alt-Right Rabbit Hole | Feedback Friday
13 Mar 2026
Contributed by Lukas
Your brother's political curiosity took a dark turn into alt-right extremism. As his big sis, can you reach him before it's too late? It's Feedback Fr...
1295: Nir Eyal | Why Your Beliefs Matter More Than Your Willpower
10 Mar 2026
Contributed by Lukas
Beyond Belief author Nir Eyal returns to break down why belief — not motivation — is the missing piece behind every goal you've abandoned too earl...
1294: Sister’s off Her Meds, Now She Faces the Feds | Feedback Friday
06 Mar 2026
Contributed by Lukas
Your sister went off her meds, fled cops, got in a bar fight, and assaulted an officer. Now she faces felonies and won't let you help. It's Feedback F...
Introducing The Interface from the BBC
06 Mar 2026
Contributed by Lukas
If you want to keep up with the latest topics in tech and AI, and how it all applies to our every day lives, then I recommend checking out The Interfa...
1293: Abigail Marsh | How Fear Separates Saints from Psychopaths Part 2
05 Mar 2026
Contributed by Lukas
Psychopathy is treatable, altruism is contagious, and 'sociopath' is a word we should probably retire. Abigail Marsh makes the case here on part 2 of ...
1292: Abigail Marsh | How Fear Separates Saints from Psychopaths Part 1
03 Mar 2026
Contributed by Lukas
What separates someone who'd donate a kidney to a stranger from someone who might steal one? Abigail Marsh explains the neuroscience of fear on part 1...
1291: Should Self-Harm Scars Be Shareable Memoirs? | Feedback Friday
27 Feb 2026
Contributed by Lukas
You've healed from self-harm and own your story. But curious kids keep asking about your scars. How honest should you be? Welcome to Feedback Friday!A...
1290: Danny Rensch | How Chess Freed Me from Life in a Cult Part Two
26 Feb 2026
Contributed by Lukas
Danny Rensch went from being weaponized as a chess prodigy by a cult to co-founding Chess.com — detailed on part two of this two-part episode. (Find...
1289: Danny Rensch | How Chess Freed Me from Life in a Cult Part One
24 Feb 2026
Contributed by Lukas
Danny Rensch was born into a cult that weaponized chess for prestige. He's here to explain how he broke free on part one of this two-part episode.Full...
Introducing The Interface from the BBC
24 Feb 2026
Contributed by Lukas
If you want to keep up with the latest topics in tech and AI, and how it all applies to our every day lives, then I recommend checking out The Interfa...
1288: Test Prep | Skeptical Sunday
22 Feb 2026
Contributed by Lukas
Is test prep a lifeline or a scam? Jessica Wynn reveals who's really cashing in on your SAT anxiety here on Skeptical Sunday!Welcome to Skeptical Sund...
1287: Conscience Frayed by Impossible Choice Made | Feedback Friday
20 Feb 2026
Contributed by Lukas
Genetic test results were delayed, so you took the abortion pill — then learned the baby was healthy. Now faith and regret collide. It's Feedback Fr...
1286: Derek Coburn | Rethinking Retirement to Live Well Now and Later
17 Feb 2026
Contributed by Lukas
Let's Retire Retirement author Derek Coburn finds the flaws in how we traditionally plan for life after work — and demonstrates how we can do i...
Introducing The Interface from the BBC
17 Feb 2026
Contributed by Lukas
If you want to keep up with the latest topics in tech and AI, and how it all applies to our every day lives, then I recommend checking out The Interfa...
1285: Passport Bros | Skeptical Sunday
15 Feb 2026
Contributed by Lukas
Passport Bros claim fleeing abroad solves their dating woes. Nick Pell explains why they're in for a rude awakening on this Skeptical Sunday.Welcome t...
1284: Husband Hid His DUI — Is It Time to Say Goodbye? | Feedback Friday
13 Feb 2026
Contributed by Lukas
A hidden DUI. Secret drinking. Constant lies. You escaped an alcoholic mom only to marry the same pattern. Is it time to break free? It's Feedback Fri...
1283: Eva LaRue & Kaya McKenna Callahan | 12 Years Hunted by a Stalker
10 Feb 2026
Contributed by Lukas
She played a DNA expert on TV, but real forensics took 12 years to catch her stalker. Eva LaRue and daughter Kaya McKenna Callahan share what they end...
1282: The Vagina | Skeptical Sunday
08 Feb 2026
Contributed by Lukas
From medieval speculums to modern myths, vaginas deserve better. Jessica Wynn takes a deep dive into these anatomical marvels here on Skeptical Sunday...
1281: Can Your Love Be Blind to Her Conspiracy Mind? | Feedback Friday
06 Feb 2026
Contributed by Lukas
She checks your boxes, but believes in flat Earth and Wayfair child trafficking. Do you give this hot conspiracy theorist a shot? It's Feedback Friday...
1280: Cory Doctorow | Why Everything Got Worse and What to Do About It
03 Feb 2026
Contributed by Lukas
Remember when Facebook was fun and Google actually worked? Cory Doctorow coined a term for what went wrong, and he's here to explain how we fight back...
1279: The Gold Standard | Skeptical Sunday
01 Feb 2026
Contributed by Lukas
Could returning to the gold standard fix inflation? Nick Pell explains why this shiny solution might not be all it's cracked up to be on Skeptical Sun...
1278: Afraid You Could Lose Her Off-Grid with Abuser | Feedback Friday
30 Jan 2026
Contributed by Lukas
Your sister's husband has a history of abuse, and just bought a shack in the middle of nowhere for them and the kids. What can you do? It's Feedback F...
1277: Isabelle Boemeke | The Rad Future of Nuclear Electricity
29 Jan 2026
Contributed by Lukas
Nuclear power could save the planet — so why are we terrified of it? Here, Rad Future author Isabelle Boemeke breaks down the science behind th...
1276: Coltan Scrivner | The Evolutionary Logic of Morbid Curiosity
27 Jan 2026
Contributed by Lukas
Why do we rubberneck accidents and binge true crime? Behavioral scientist Coltan Scrivner explains the surprising psychology behind our morbid curiosi...
1275: Incels | Skeptical Sunday
25 Jan 2026
Contributed by Lukas
Are "incels" dangerous radicals or just lonely guys punching walls online? Nick Pell takes us to the basement to find out here on Skeptical Sunday.Wel...
1274: Past Indiscretion Keeps Threatening Profession | Feedback Friday
23 Jan 2026
Contributed by Lukas
You served time 22 years ago, and now your business partner's wielding your criminal record like a blackmail card to take everything. It's Feedback Fr...
1273: Richard Shotton & MichaelAaron Flicker | Marketing to Human Minds
20 Jan 2026
Contributed by Lukas
Hacking the Human Mind authors Richard Shotton and MichaelAaron Flicker reveal ways brands exploit human psychology and how we can use this to our ben...
1272: Left-Handedness | Skeptical Sunday
18 Jan 2026
Contributed by Lukas
Scissors, spiral notebooks, cultural taboos — lefties have it rough. Jessica Wynn explores why 10% of us are southpaws here on Skeptical Sunday.Welc...
1271: Buzzing Teen Question Has Mom Second-Guessin' | Feedback Friday
16 Jan 2026
Contributed by Lukas
Your 15-year-old just made a request that would make your church-raised mother faint. How do you parent without the shame spiral? It's Feedback Friday...
1270: Jamie Mustard | Scientology's Secret World of Disposable Children
13 Jan 2026
Contributed by Lukas
He couldn't read or write until age 20. Now, Child X author Jamie Mustard is exposing how Scientology's Sea Organization warehouses children like live...
Introducing Smart Talks with IBM
13 Jan 2026
Contributed by Lukas
If you are curious about how technology, innovation and AI are changing industries, then check out Smart Talks with IBM, hosted by the one and only Ma...
1269: Venezuela | Out of the Loop
11 Jan 2026
Contributed by Lukas
Venezuela's collapse is about way more than socialism and oil. Ryan McBeth breaks down how a resource-rich nation became a cautionary tale on our door...
Introducing Smart Talks with IBM
11 Jan 2026
Contributed by Lukas
If you are curious about how technology, innovation and AI are changing industries, then check out Smart Talks with IBM, hosted by the one and only Ma...
1268: A Week After Hospice, Dad's Got a New Mrs. | Feedback Friday
09 Jan 2026
Contributed by Lukas
After six hard years as your mom's Alzheimer's caregiver, your dad remarried an old flame one week after moving her to hospice. Welcome to Feedback Fr...
1267: Rhonda Patrick | Protecting Your Brain and Body from Modern Life
06 Jan 2026
Contributed by Lukas
From microplastics in your brain to multivitamins that actually work, Dr. Rhonda Patrick of FoundMyFitness separates real science from wellness hype h...
Introducing Smart Talks with IBM
06 Jan 2026
Contributed by Lukas
If you are curious about how technology, innovation and AI are changing industries, then check out Smart Talks with IBM, hosted by the one and only Ma...
1266: Cutting off Creep Whose Manipulation Runs Deep | Feedback Friday
02 Jan 2026
Contributed by Lukas
A colleague made crude jokes, monopolized you at events, then possibly used you to make his ex jealous. How do you handle this creep? It's Feedback Fr...
1265: Joe Loya | Confessions of a Bank Robber Part Two
01 Jan 2026
Contributed by Lukas
Former bank robber Joe Loya reveals how childhood trauma transformed him into a prolific criminal — and how he found his way back. [Part 2 of 2 — ...
1264: Joe Loya | Confessions of a Bank Robber Part One
30 Dec 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Former bank robber Joe Loya reveals how childhood trauma transformed him into a prolific criminal — and how he found his way back. [Part 1 of 2]Full...
1263: Near Death Experiences | Skeptical Sunday
28 Dec 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Are near-death experiences proof of an afterlife — or just the brain's final fireworks? Michael Regilio goes into the light to find out on Skeptical...
1262: A Weighty Matter of Mind Over Platter | Feedback Friday
26 Dec 2025
Contributed by Lukas
You're battling overeating and started therapy, but you're unsure if you're growing or just failing slowly with extra steps. Welcome to Feedback Frida...
1261: John Young | Decrypting the Quantum Quandaries of Q-Day
23 Dec 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Q-Day — when quantum computers crack all encryption — is coming. Quantum eMotion COO John Young breaks down the pros and cons of what's to come.Fu...
1260: Vaping | Skeptical Sunday
21 Dec 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Big Tobacco's playbook is back — just with better branding and candy flavors. Jessica Wynn clears the air about vaping here on Skeptical Sunday!Welc...
1259: Mad Mother's Lies Sever Tenuous Family Ties | Feedback Friday
19 Dec 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Your mentally ill mom impersonated you, lied about your dad, and then vanished. Now you're alone and your sister's cut you off. Welcome to Feedback Fr...
1258: Ryan Holiday | Wisdom Takes Work
16 Dec 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Wisdom isn't about what you know — it's what you actually do. Author Ryan Holiday breaks down why virtue requires action, not just good intentions. ...
1257: Kratom | Skeptical Sunday
14 Dec 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Kratom: Legal high or dangerous addiction? Nick Pell breaks down this gas station opioid alternative here on Skeptical Sunday!Welcome to Skeptical Sun...
1256: Cheatin' Heart Yearns for Return to the Start | Feedback Friday
12 Dec 2025
Contributed by Lukas
You left your husband after an affair. Now your boyfriend wants to marry you, but you're still in love with your ex. Welcome to Feedback Friday!And in...
1255: Abbie Maroño | Mastering Persuasion with Social Engineering
11 Dec 2025
Contributed by Lukas
The same tactics that con artists use to manipulate you can be used to build trust. Dr. Abbie Maroño explains the psychology of ethical social engine...
1254: Justin Houman | Wiggling Out of the Male Fertility Crisis
09 Dec 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Your fertility might be the canary in your body's coal mine. Urologist Dr. Justin Houman explains why this matters way beyond making babies.Full show ...
1253: Organ Donation | Skeptical Sunday
07 Dec 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Bureaucracy kills more transplant patients than shortage does. Jessica Wynn harvests the truth about organ donation's dark side here on Skeptical Sund...
1252: Her Delusions You Fled; Now She's in an ER Bed | Feedback Friday
05 Dec 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Your narcissistic wife refuses to work or leave the house. After you sought divorce, she attempted suicide and called 53 times. It's Feedback Friday!A...
1251: Jimmy Wales | Building Trust the Wikipedia Way
04 Dec 2025
Contributed by Lukas
We're living in parallel realities with different "facts." Wikipedia founder Jimmy Wales breaks down how trust eroded — and how we might restore it....
1250: Scott Galloway | Notes on Being a Man
02 Dec 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Young men are in freefall — and society's paying the price. Scott Galloway is here to explain the data behind the collapse and offer potential solut...
1249: Rehab and Recovery | Skeptical Sunday
30 Nov 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Rehab is a $42 billion industry hooked on bad science. Nick Pell helps us detox from its myths by prescribing the truth on Skeptical Sunday!Welcome to...
1248: Bitter Defamation Tests Small Town Reputation | Feedback Friday
28 Nov 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Your ex-partner stole inventory, rebranded it, and spent three years cyberstalking and defaming you in your tiny town. Welcome to Feedback Friday!And ...
1247: Eric Cole | Protecting Ourselves in an Age of Cyber Crisis
27 Nov 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Our digital lives are under attack from every direction. Cyber Crisis author Eric Cole breaks down the threats and shows how to stay one step ahead!Fu...
1246: Mike Feldstein | How Bad Air Hijacks Your Brain and Body
25 Nov 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Clean air is free, so we ignore it. Air quality expert Mike Feldstein reveals why the thing we breathe most is the health pillar we optimize least.Ful...
1245: Black Friday | Skeptical Sunday
23 Nov 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Jessica Wynn uncovers Black Friday's dark secrets — fake discounts, cheaper products, and manufactured urgency — on this week's Skeptical Sunday.W...
1244: Connection Crisis Corners Calculating Courtesan | Feedback Friday
21 Nov 2025
Contributed by Lukas
You quit sex work to try real love with someone half your age. She's sweet but chaotic and rushing to move in. What could go wrong on Feedback Friday?...
1243: Christopher Whitcomb | A Life Among Spies Part Two
20 Nov 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Ex-FBI sniper Christopher Whitcomb survived warlords, black ops, and helicopter crashes. He's here to explain how calculating risk kept him alive. [Pt...
1242: Christopher Whitcomb | A Life Among Spies Part One
18 Nov 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Ex-FBI sniper Christopher Whitcomb survived warlords, black ops, and helicopter crashes. He's here to explain how calculating risk kept him alive. [Pt...
1241: Ketamine | Skeptical Sunday
16 Nov 2025
Contributed by Lukas
From horse tranquilizer to mental health treatment — what's the real story about ketamine? Nick Pell breaks it down on Skeptical Sunday!Welcome to S...
1240: Warned Not to Wed Wife, You Fear for Your Life | Feedback Friday
14 Nov 2025
Contributed by Lukas
You married her even after her father, her ex, and your friends warned you not to. Now she's threatening your life. Welcome to Feedback Friday!Full sh...
1239: Rizwan Virk | The Real Mysteries of the Simulation Hypothesis
13 Nov 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Reality might be rendered, not real. The Simulation Hypothesis author Rizwan Virk explains this wild idea and why even physicists take it serious...
1238: Ken Burns | What If the American Revolution Isn't Over?
11 Nov 2025
Contributed by Lukas
The American Revolution isn't over — it just changed uniforms. Documentary legend Ken Burns explains why we're still debugging an experiment from 17...
1237: Light Pollution | Skeptical Sunday
09 Nov 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Humans have managed to pollute darkness itself. Jessica Wynn explains how artificial light erases stars and harms wildlife and health on Skeptical Sun...
1236: Bedroom Blame Game Sparks Consent Shame | Feedback Friday
07 Nov 2025
Contributed by Lukas
She felt coerced into sex throughout your marriage. You woke to her initiating without consent. Both victims? Both guilty? Welcome to Feedback Friday!...
1235: Oobah Butler | A Trickster Turns Deception Into Art and Insight
06 Nov 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Social engineer Oobah Butler joins us to explain how fake fame, false reviews, and algorithmic nonsense shape the world we trust.Full show notes and r...
1234: Layne Norton | Debunking Diet Soda Panic and Seed Oil Hysteria
04 Nov 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Protein sources, seed oil panic, aspartame fears — nutritional scientist Dr. Layne Norton dismantles the internet's favorite fitness myths here!Full...
1233: OnlyFans | Skeptical Sunday
02 Nov 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Does OnlyFans empower or exploit its content creators? Do subscribers make real connections? Nick Pell separates fact from fantasy on Skeptical Sunday...
1232: Open Relationship Deal Makes You the 3rd Wheel | Feedback Friday
31 Oct 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Your open relationship worked until he started spending half his time with someone new. Now he can't decide what he wants. Welcome to Feedback Friday!...
1231: Owen Hanson | From USC Golden Boy to International Drug Kingpin
30 Oct 2025
Contributed by Lukas
From USC quarterback to drug kingpin to ice cream entrepreneur, Owen Hanson explains how criminal skills can translate to legitimate business success....
1229: Penis Enhancement | Skeptical Sunday
26 Oct 2025
Contributed by Lukas
From ancient myths to modern mishaps, Michael Regilio pulls back the curtain on the rise of penis “upgrades” with firm skepticism here on Skeptica...
1228: You Cut and Run but Parents Treat Ex like a Son | Feedback Friday
24 Oct 2025
Contributed by Lukas
He chose beer and coworkers over you. You chose yourself and left. Now your own parents roll out the red carpet for him. It's Feedback Friday!And in c...
1227: Kashmir Hill | Is AI Manipulating Your Mental Health?
23 Oct 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Users are falling in love with and losing their minds to AI. Journalist Kashmir Hill exposes shocking recent cases of chatbot-induced psychosis and su...
BONUS: Do Kin's Red Flags Mean He's Filling Body Bags? | Feedback Friday
22 Oct 2025
Contributed by Lukas
[NOTE: This is a repost of the most recent Feedback Friday that many of you reported being unable to hear last week. Second time's a charm, we hope!]Y...
1226: James Kimmel, Jr. | No Even Scores in the Science of Revenge
21 Oct 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Your brain on revenge looks like your brain on drugs. Here, Dr. James Kimmel, Jr. explores the neuroscience of vengeance and the power of forgiveness....
1225: Penis Size | Skeptical Sunday
19 Oct 2025
Contributed by Lukas
The average penis: smaller than you think, more complex than you know. Michael Regilio gets to the meat of the matter here on Skeptical Sunday!We...
1224: Do Kin's Red Flags Mean He's Filling Body Bags? | Feedback Friday
17 Oct 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Your relative killed pets, threatened to stab his mother, displays psychopath traits, and now you're checking cold cases in his area. It's Feedback Fr...
1224: Oz Pearlman | Making Magical Human Connections Like a Mentalist
16 Oct 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Ever wonder how mentalists read minds? It's not really magic. Oz Pearlman is here to expose the secrets of influence, charisma, and seeing others deep...
1223: William H. Macy | What Shameless Taught Him About Being Shameless
14 Oct 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Acting is weird, brutal work. Fargo star William H. Macy breaks down why desperation makes great art — and how he finally learned to act at age 60.F...
1222: What Legal Steps Come Next to Stop Criminal Ex? | Feedback Friday
10 Oct 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Sextortion, fraud, hacking, car theft, death threats — your ex belongs in prison. How do you make that happen? Welcome to Feedback Friday!And in cas...
1221: Andrew Bustamante | A Spy's Guide to Our Dangerous World Part Two
09 Oct 2025
Contributed by Lukas
The intelligence world is evolving rapidly. Former CIA officer Andrew Bustamante explains Cold War tech, Ukraine strategy, and global conflicts. [Pt. ...
1220: Andrew Bustamante | A Spy's Guide to Our Dangerous World Part One
07 Oct 2025
Contributed by Lukas
The intelligence world is evolving rapidly. Former CIA officer Andrew Bustamante explains Cold War tech, Ukraine strategy, and global conflicts. [Pt. ...
1219: Redheads | Skeptical Sunday
05 Oct 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Redheads are bullied, fetishized, and medically misunderstood. Jessica Wynn is here to color in the facts about being a ginger on this Skeptical Sunda...
1218: Grandson is Feral and Puts In-Laws In Peril | Feedback Friday
03 Oct 2025
Contributed by Lukas
The abused grandson your in-laws raised is now 32 and violent, and just hospitalized grandpa. Still, they won't evict him. Now what? It's Feedback Fri...
1217: Evan Osnos | The Haves and Have-Yachts of American Oligarchy
02 Oct 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Money and power are merging on the high seas. The New Yorker's Evan Osnos exposes how super yachts became the new seat of American oligarchy.Full show...
1216: Greg Lukianoff | Failing Arguments Against Free Speech
30 Sep 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Free speech defenders are losing ground as government pressure mounts. Legal expert Greg Lukianoff reveals why the Kimmel case should terrify everyone...