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Inside the Harvard vs. Trump Battle

Wed, 23 Apr 2025

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President Donald Trump has been on an escalating campaign to reorder elite higher education. The administration’s Anti-Semitism Task Force has frozen billions of dollars in federal funding after Harvard refused to comply with their demands. WSJ’s Douglas Belkin on the showdown between America’s most prominent university and the U.S. president. Jessica Mendoza hosts.   Further Listening: - Trump's College Crackdown  Sign up for WSJ’s free What’s News newsletter.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Chapter 1: What is the Trump administration's campaign against elite universities?

5.545 - 13.013 Jessica Mendoza

For the past couple months, the Trump administration has been targeting higher education, homing in on some of the nation's top universities.

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The Trump administration making good on its threat to cancel $400 million in federal grants to Columbia University.

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The federal funding freeze at the University of Pennsylvania. The Trump administration is pausing nearly $200 million in funds.

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The Trump administration freezes $1 billion in funding for Cornell University and $790 million for Northwestern University. A Trump administration...

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41.232 - 46.954 Jessica Mendoza

And now, the administration has set its sights on its most high-profile target yet, Harvard.

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The Trump administration is threatening to withhold $9 billion in funding to Harvard, one of America's most prestigious universities.

Chapter 2: Why is Harvard University the main target in this funding dispute?

56.016 - 58.417 Jessica Mendoza

Why does it matter that it's Harvard University?

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59.46 - 73.525 Douglas Belkin

Harvard is the wealthiest university in the nation with endowment of about $53 billion. So if anybody has the wherewithal to stand up and fight the Trump administration, it's going to be Harvard University.

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74.425 - 77.206 Jessica Mendoza

That's my colleague Doug Belkin, who covers higher education.

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Chapter 3: What historical and political factors led to the conflict between Trump and higher education?

79.244 - 105.282 Douglas Belkin

The forces that are at play here are a university system across the country that has moved to the left. And the president is attempting essentially a course correction by what the university sees an invasion of their independence. So this is the culmination of forces that have been heading toward each other, toward a collision for decades. two generations.

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105.882 - 126.293 Douglas Belkin

This is sort of the most dramatic moment in higher education probably in my lifetime. It's been building and building, and this is really a perfect storm of politics, finance, power coming together and crashing, and it's all being manifest between Trump and Harvard.

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129.807 - 147.697 Jessica Mendoza

Welcome to The Journal, our show about money, business, and power. I'm Jessica Mendoza. It's Wednesday, April 23rd. Coming up on the show, the battle over higher education has come for Harvard.

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193.354 - 200.779 Jessica Mendoza

In many ways, Doug says, the fight between the Trump administration and universities traces its roots back decades, all the way to the 1970s.

203.487 - 230.146 Douglas Belkin

As the schools begin to integrate and there are more kids who are black and Latina and Asian coming on campuses than Jewish, we move from this sort of Western civilization curriculum to criticism of the West. And so you've got a lot of sort of critical theorists saying the West is colonialist, imperialistic, racist, patriarchal, and faculty move in that direction.

232.142 - 246.471 Jessica Mendoza

Surveys from multiple universities have shown that in recent years, a greater percentage of faculty identify as liberal rather than conservative. And when it comes to public perception, polls say that Americans believe colleges generally lean left.

247.552 - 258.679 Douglas Belkin

Conservatives argue that it's become an echo chamber where they're no longer allowing the discussion of other points of view. And that's where the friction really grinds the gears of the conservatives.

Chapter 4: How did the Anti-Semitism Task Force influence federal funding decisions?

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From the university perspective, that unique academic freedom is crucial to creative and innovative output.

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487.502 - 503.346 Douglas Belkin

If you get to follow your own curiosity, if researchers decide what they want to figure out and study and follow, they're in the best position to figure out, because they're closest to their work, where that should go. And so innovation on American college campuses is stunning.

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507.475 - 517.841 Jessica Mendoza

So Harvard and other universities are feeling like if you start to tell us what to do, that innovation is going to die because we are the ones who know what the work looks like. We're the ones who know where that money should go.

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518.422 - 531.33 Douglas Belkin

Right. And if you start to dictate to us, that's a slippery slope to fascism. That's authoritarianism. That's President Trump gets to tell universities how to think what the professors need to teach. And that sets off all sorts of alarm bells.

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533.061 - 550.893 Jessica Mendoza

Secretary of Education Linda McMahon said that because the funds come from the federal government, quote, we want to make sure that you're abiding by federal law. She added that the administration is not trying to take away academic freedom. And then Harvard made an unexpected move.

Chapter 5: What specific demands did the Task Force make to Harvard University?

552.534 - 560.039 Douglas Belkin

Harvard takes the letter and publishes it with a note saying this is overreach. This cannot stand.

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After the break, the fight escalates.

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603.743 - 625.512 Jessica Mendoza

On April 14th, the president of Harvard, Alan Garber, published the Trump administration's letter to the school's website. In a message, Garber wrote that the university would not accept the administration's demands. Trump's anti-Semitism task force was furious. Its members said that they made clear that they wanted to keep the discussions with the university private.

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Harvard disputes that there was any agreement about confidentiality. The task force reacted quickly.

633.894 - 640.237 Douglas Belkin

They crack down. They had threatened to freeze a bunch of money. They move forward and do freeze $2.2 billion.

640.518 - 647.341 Jessica Mendoza

And that's not all. They also made the first moves to revoke Harvard's tax-exempt status.

Chapter 6: Why does Harvard view the Task Force's demands as an overreach?

648.422 - 661.589 Douglas Belkin

Almost all universities, all the universities that you think of when you think of a university, a flagship, a public flagship, a big private, they're all tax-exempt. There are for-profit schools that are exceptions. But yeah, I mean, most of the schools in the United States are tax-exempt.

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663.157 - 665.96 Jessica Mendoza

And being tax-exempt is a big deal to these universities?

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666.64 - 684.658 Douglas Belkin

Yeah, it's really important to the business model of the university. So, first of all, they don't pay property taxes, so that's a big deal. If you write a check for $100 billion to Harvard, then you get to knock off what you're going to pay on taxes. So there's a huge incentive for donors to give taxes.

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686.26 - 699.923 Jessica Mendoza

The task force also threatened to challenge whether or not Harvard could continue to enroll international students, whose tuition is a critical part of the university's income. All said, what's at stake for Harvard here is losing tons of funding.

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Alan Garber, the university president, has said that the consequences would be severe, that it would impact research related to childhood cancer, infectious disease outbreaks, and easing the pain of soldiers wounded in battle. On Monday night, Harvard took the dispute to court.

Chapter 7: What makes the U.S. higher education system unique in terms of independence?

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Breaking news in our politics lead. Harvard University is now suing the Trump administration over the administration's threats to cut... What are sort of the main reasons that Harvard gives for suing?

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731.448 - 752.709 Douglas Belkin

Well, the two big ones are freedom of speech, that when the Trump administration wants to tell the university who to hire, what to study, what to research, that is infringing on the university's First Amendment freedom of speech. Academic freedom is connected to that. And so they don't have the wherewithal to do that.

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754.33 - 774.617 Douglas Belkin

The second case is that if they want to pull this money, there's a process that they need to follow, according to the law, that's time-consuming and takes a long time. They can't just willy-nilly pull this money out. And so they're saying this is a capricious move and the damage could be very, very long-lasting. And so you don't do this sort of thing quickly.

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Chapter 8: How does academic freedom impact innovation and research at universities?

775.871 - 788.839 Jessica Mendoza

In the suit, Harvard asks the court to halt the funding freeze. It also wants the court to declare that both the freeze and the demands asked of the university are illegal. And has the Trump administration responded to the lawsuit yet?

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789.875 - 809.037 Douglas Belkin

They've essentially said, see you in court. They've said that Harvard University needs to address the civil rights violations on their campus, and when they get their house in order, then they'll be entitled to federal funds. Well, one of the things that the government says is, you know, if they don't want to...

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809.958 - 820.922 Douglas Belkin

make the changes we have, which the government believes means treating everybody fairly on campus, protecting everybody equally on campus. If they don't want to do that, then they can operate without federal research funding.

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In response to the lawsuit, a White House spokesperson said, quote, taxpayer funds are a privilege, and Harvard fails to meet the basic conditions required to access that privilege. Can Harvard survive without this money?

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836.755 - 854.861 Douglas Belkin

Harvard has a $53 billion endowment, and maybe they can live without the money for a little while. You know, they don't have to start firing people immediately. They can tap their endowment. They have an option to. And so they're a little bit unusual in that situation. So they're sort of, they're the alpha in higher education on that front.

856.081 - 860.863 Jessica Mendoza

Harvard has also raised money recently from its alumni, as well as by issuing bonds.

861.71 - 869.212 Douglas Belkin

And there's been a huge surge in donations since Harvard said they would stand up. So they have a lot to gain from their supporters.

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Other universities are responding positively to Harvard's position on this?

875.594 - 901.853 Douglas Belkin

Yeah, there's been a lot of, there was just a letter signed by a couple hundred college presidents saying we are behind Harvard. So they want to defend it. When people ask me what I cover and they ask me to distill higher education, I say universities posture toward the federal government for a long time has been leave us alone.

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