Republican Megadonor Ken Griffin on Trump's Economy
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Who is Ken Griffin and what is his background?
Ken Griffin is the CEO of one of the world's most successful hedge funds, Citadel. Griffin is a billionaire and among the largest Republican donors. But during this administration, he's been outspokenly critical of some of President Trump's policies, especially around the Fed, tax cuts, and tariffs. This week, Griffin sat down with Wall Street Journal editor-in-chief Emma Tucker in West Palm Beach, Florida. They were at the Wall Street Journal's Invest Live event, and they discussed the weakening of the dollar, the growing national debt, and the role of government in corporate affairs. Welcome to The Journal, our show about money, business, and power. I'm Ryan Knudson. It's Thursday, February 5th.
Coming up on the show, a conversation with Ken Griffin.
Good morning, everyone. And a big thank you to Ken for joining us today for a discussion about who knows where it's going to take us, Ken. We'll see. But it's almost impossible to know where to start. There's so much going on in the markets, in the world, certainly in the news cycle. So I thought I'd start with a very simple question.
What are Ken Griffin's criticisms of Trump's economic policies?
Somebody's just handed you a suitcase of freshly minted dollars. What are you going to do with those dollars?
This sounds like a trick asset, a know your customer ALM question. Sounds like I need to call the FBI and go, I've got a suitcase full of cash here.
OK, after you've done that and they've said it's fine, you can keep them.
So we've got clean money.
Clean money?
Clean money. Great. So first of all, thank you for being here in South Florida.
It's my pleasure, the weather notwithstanding.
It's still about 40 degrees warmer than New York. So yes, 55's freezing, but it's not truly freezing. So if I was handed a suitcase of money today, this is like such a strange way to frame a question. Look, what investors need to focus on is what is the purpose of their portfolio.
How does Ken Griffin view the current state of the U.S. dollar?
And so if you're in your early 20s, your investment objective is very different than if you're in your mid 70s. And you need to always invest your money from the vantage point of what you need to achieve with your investment portfolio. So if you're in your 20s, even though the equity markets is somewhat frothy right now, you're still going to be investing the preponderance of that money in equity markets around the world. And if you're in your mid-70s, obviously, you worry about inflation. You worry about downside risk. You worry about the fact that you don't have 20 or 30 years, potentially, as your investment horizon. You're going to have much more of that money invested in tips or in commercial real estate or in other assets that have greater protection from the potential damaging influence of inflation.
Good. What he hasn't said is what he said to me backstage, which is he'd put it under his mattress. Sorry.
She had way too much fun with that.
Right. OK. On to more serious matters. Debt. Now, you've always made it very clear that you think debt levels in this country have got too high. The national debt is now running at 30%. exceeding 38 trillion. And off the back of that, there's some evidence of a sort of sell America trade going on. So my question to you is, do you think we're witnessing the early stages of a genuine challenge to dollar primacy?
Look, the US dollar has lost some of its luster over the last 12 months. There's no doubt about that. And I do believe that the United States is unquestionably still one of the great safe harbors in the world. And at the same time, policies relating to tariffs, some of the rhetoric from the administration has taken some of the shine off the dollar. And at the end of the day, I do believe that when it's all said and done, if you are the strongest nation in the world, you are going to be predisposed to having a strong currency. And that strong currency, that reserve currency status, reduces your cost of capital, brings down interest rates, all else being equal, increases the quality of living for those citizens of that nation.
and allows us to engage in the global economy on a much stronger footing.
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Chapters
5 chapters
1
Who is Ken Griffin and what is his background?
0:05–1:28
2
What are Ken Griffin's criticisms of Trump's economic policies?
1:28–2:31
3
How does Ken Griffin view the current state of the U.S. dollar?
2:31–13:08
4
What investment strategies does Ken Griffin recommend for different age groups?
13:08–21:22
5
How does Ken Griffin assess the national debt and its implications?
21:22–23:14