Chapter 1: How is AI changing the way we connect with others?
You work hard to strike the right amount of intelligence and ignorance. The Last Show with David Cooper If you were spiraling about something in your life, you'd probably call a close friend. Most people would. But with AI chatbots, now we can just prompt one.
Chapter 2: Can AI chatbots provide genuine emotional support?
But if a chatbot comforts you at 2 a.m., is that really connection? Or is that just really polite code pretending to care? That is what we're going to discuss here with James Evans, a sociology and AI scientist at the University of Chicago. James, welcome to the show. Thanks, David.
Chapter 3: What psychological effects arise from confiding in AI?
Happy to be here. So I want to start with this big question. If I'm crying at 2am, is it dystopian or is it just practical for me to text a chatbot instead of reach out to a friend?
I think it's practical. There's been RCTs, so these randomized control studies that show that engaging with chatbots, especially among kind of older and younger persons, is associated with like a decrease in loneliness. And so if you're trying to settle your loneliness and to engage with someone and to express yourself, then it helps. It helps under some circumstances and with some people.
I guess what I want to talk about is like, what does it really mean to feel hurt, to feel seen by a friend when you are confiding in them? Like what's going on psychologically when I feel seen and how can that possibly happen if there's a robot on the other end of that conversation?
Well, I think this is like what this is provoking.
Chapter 4: How do AI models mimic human emotional responses?
Like what exactly does that mean?
So I think there's a cognitive and social resonance that's going on when you're engaging with somebody and they give you all of the signals that are correlated or have historically been correlated with someone who sees you, who understands you, who are kind of in sync with you, who's going to say the right thing at the right moment, who's going to complete your thoughts, you know, which...
says that they're reading your mind, you know, that you've effectively conveyed yourself. And these models as auto-aggressive language models are designed exactly to do that, to say the right next thing, right? They're not just picking the right next word, they're picking the right next meaning. And then they're selecting the word from this.
So this is like, this is a super friend that is like tuned to your emotional and cognitive state. So yeah, so they're designed to do this.
It's kind of reminds me if I want to get like super philosophical and nerdy, it reminds me of Hillary Putnam's brains in a vat. I guess the most, you know, lay or most common analogy there is the matrix.
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Chapter 5: What are the risks of relying on AI for companionship?
Like we're stuck in these computers and we can't tell the difference between reality and whether we're kind of being in a simulation. But yet in the matrix, there are certain characters that feel like there's just something wrong. And that's how I feel when I talk to AI, like it's a person. To me, it just feels like there's just something wrong.
For you, there's an uncanny valley. Yes. It's closed, but it's not quite, the eyes are not right.
Now, will it ever get there? Will I ever not be able to tell the difference between texting my buddy Dan and texting a chatbot that's trained on what Dan has said on the internet or something?
So let me provoke you, David.
Chapter 6: Where do we draw the line between helpful AI and harmful AI?
I'm not sure if you can tell the difference. And so I think it might be that you know cognitively that there is a bot on the other line. And that's the thing that's like shaping. Probably. Probably.
Probably you're right. Probably like, what is it? Like the Turing test. I wouldn't be able to tell the difference. But I know.
Chapter 7: Will society accept AI companionship like online dating?
And for me, that's what makes it weird. Can people let go of that? Can people let go of knowing that they're talking to a large language model and still feel seen and heard? To me, that's the deep question.
Well, I think this is the problem, actually. I think the models are too good in some ways relative to what they are actually able to provide, right? Because they're able to provide you with an emotional and cognitive resonance in the conversation. But they don't have a stake in the relationship with you. They're not going to do anything for you. There's no sacrifice involved in that resonance.
Chapter 8: What future transformations in relationships can we expect due to AI?
It's what they were built to do and exclusive of what they were built to do. And I think this is where we get challenges that people call it AI psychosis and people have increasing disconnects from the rest of the world because these...
bots with nothing at stake are providing things that your friends, your provoking friends, your kind of like speak truth to power or truth to kind of hallucination friends are not going to provide you with. So I think this is like precisely the problem in some sense. Um, and, um, is that they're too good. Um, and you know, because in the past, this, what we call like an honest signal, right?
So, uh, like the, the fact that if, if I'm resonating with you, it says that I'm attending to you. And then I will attend to you, like materially and in other ways. And if we just have a bot that does it for free, right, it's just tuned to do that, then it's no longer an honest signal of this underlying responsibility of care, effectively, that the other agent has for us.
And so I don't think that we're going to get rid of that. I think if we did get rid of that, then I think we would be in a very complicated place.
I suppose you could ask a large language model to push back at you, but I guess that aside, there's something to me that's slightly dangerous about a friend that always validates you. If I call my friend with a bunch of BS, even if I'm super depressed and I lay that BS on them, they'll call me out on it.
Yeah, exactly. Exactly. And we see, for example, in a study that we did recently, there's a conversation, for example, if you are faced with fake news, you know, with headlines that actually occur in the world and are denoted as kind of like, you know, fake misrepresentations of the truth versus those that are true. You haven't seen them before.
The model that you're working with hasn't seen them before. Right. If, um, if you make your determination and then you chat with a chat bot, like a standard, you know, neutralized kind of seemingly or performatively objective chat bot, then, um, uh, then you feel better about your performance after you update it about whether or not the thing is true, but you perform worse, right?
And then one of the things we do is we just make the models more biased, like biased away from you or towards you. And all of a sudden you get uncertain when you're chatting with the bot. You chat much more with it. You perform better, but you feel worse about it and you feel like your interaction with the bot was less meaningful.
So we're averse to conflict and we don't feel comforted by it, even though it makes us perform better in our lives. It makes us perform better decisions.
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