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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
You work hard to strike the right amount of intelligence and ignorance. The last show with David Cooper. Would you believe me if I told you a former US president said aliens are real? Well, that's exactly what happened. Happened. Former President Obama, in an interview on a podcast called No Lie with Brian Tyler Cohen, said that aliens are real and the Internet is going wild.
And I could not think of anyone else to discuss this with that I'd rather discuss it with than Dr. Lee Kunla, a political science professor at Humber Polytechnic. He co-hosts a great conspiracy theory podcast called The Uncover Up. Lee, it is a joy having you here.
Thanks, David. Thanks for having me. And you know what? I'm happy to be talking about this with you, too. This is going to be fun.
Chapter 2: What did Obama say about aliens?
I'm going to play the clip because I think the headline oversells it a bit. Let's play the clip. This is Obama saying aliens are real.
They're real, but I haven't seen them, and they're not being kept in, what is it? Area 51. Area 51. There's no underground facility, unless there's this enormous conspiracy, and they hid it from the President of the United States. What was the first question you wanted answered when you became President? Where are the aliens? Where are the aliens?
OK, there is something suspiciously that goes on in that interview for me where the president, it seems like he's pretending to forget the name of Area 51. Like that's he sounds like me when my girlfriend's like, did you eat the bag of Cheetos in the in the in the closet or did our cat sitter do it? And I'm like, oh, must have been the cat sitter.
I would never eat the Cheetos you told me not to eat. You know, like it sounds like he's lying. That's the main thing for me there.
Chapter 3: Who is Dr. Lee Kuhnle and why is he discussing this?
That's interesting. It's interesting that that's what you pick up on. I kind of feel like it's a little bit more of him just being like, oh, you kids, you know, what do you kids call it? Area 51, right? Whereas, you know, the real secret facility.
Area 52, I guess. I don't know.
Yeah, exactly.
That's the one we can't tell you about. But he just so confidently said they're real without saying like, oh, it's pretty probable that there's life out there in the universe, given the number of planets we've discovered in our own galaxy and the number of stars and blah, blah, blah, and the abundance of carbon. Like he could have kind of given an answer like that.
But to just say, oh, they're real. I get why conspiracy theory loving people are running with this one.
Sure. I think it's interesting, I think, even for the rest of us, too, where somebody is saying something that's quite astounding. And we take him as an authority figure of some repute in this world because he would have access to secret information.
And so if he knew about it, you know, then he might be in a position that's better than Neil deGrasse Tyson or some of the scientists who also have come out and made statements about aliens. Maybe he knows something. But that is certainly the impression it gives, right? The problem here is that Obama, we know Obama, as he said in the interview, was interested in aliens right from the get-go.
He was like, hey, like the rest of us. He's like, if I get into office, maybe I'll know this. He's not even the first president, though, to be curious about this. Bill Clinton, I forget who he tapped for head of justice, Department of Justice, but the person he tapped, he said beforehand, he was like, listen, if I give you this job, will you tell me if there's aliens at Area 51?
So Clinton was interested too, and we know that Carter actually saw a UFO. I don't know if it was before he had become president or in the run-up to becoming president, or even when he was a president, but he was also a believer in UFOs. The idea then that like presidents are not like the rest of us who have, you know, beliefs and opinions about things. I don't know.
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Chapter 4: What does Obama's statement imply about government secrecy?
So, you know, what we would want is him to say, okay, look, I can't tell you the details about it, but I was in the room and I got a briefing about this and this event that happened at this and this time. We don't get any of those details in that clip. Basically, we get a pretty generic statement that aliens are real, one that without further qualification, I too would agree with.
Given people on the internet and their attention span, Obama says, yeah, they're real in the first five seconds of the interview. That's basically the amount of time someone's going to spend on a short form video platform scrolling. You know, and then that's all you need to make it and be an expert these days. There are a lot of people basically saying, OK, this is the proof we need.
You know, aliens live among us.
Exactly. Especially then when you already begin with the bias that I believe in aliens. And then you have a president who says, yep, there are aliens. And then you're like, OK, great. Case closed. Like we've solved it. We are, though. And look, this has been happening over and over again just in the last couple of years. Right. We had David Grush come forward.
He was the whistleblower from two years ago in the summer who was like, I'm part of this or was part of the super secret alien recovery project. And I know that there are UFOs and I know that they're aliens. Oh, he also says he didn't see them and he doesn't actually have any solid proof. So when do we get beyond this?
That's like as like seriously, like it always I feel like a wet blanket in that I come on shows like this. And it sounds like I'm just debunking it. It's like, there's nothing to see here. Santa Claus isn't real. Everybody go home. I don't see it that way because I agree with you.
There's nothing there. Go ahead.
Yeah, well, what I would like at this point now is give me some actual evidence that can also be concocted through some kind of circumstantial thing, right? Here's the thing. If aliens have the technology to fly all the way across the universe, wherever they're coming from, maybe interdimensionally, blah, blah, blah.
They come here, and then they crash at places that are significantly higher than our domestic airliners.
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