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Chapter 1: What is the convoluted hoax being discussed?
He's coming to me, he's like, hey, my boss grabbed my ass, and I'm like, all right, I'll tell him. Gotta stop doing that. Anyway, I... Big weekend for Philadelphia. Aiden, I got to ask, what's your favorite part of the real Philadelphia Experiment story after we looked through? Oh.
Because, I mean, for those who maybe haven't seen the video or for those who are just coming over from the video, welcome. But for those who have not seen our Philadelphia Experiment video, The gist of this story is in 1943, the U.S. Navy used a one of Einstein's theories to make a ship disappear and then accidentally teleported it.
We looked into the actual story and that is very much not what happened. It seems that what happened is somebody had maybe heard about what degaussing is and got the wrong idea. Aiden, do you know what degaussing is? Remind me. It is. I am not just just off the bat. I am not a physicist. I am not an electrician. I don't know the details about how this works.
My understanding is that degaussing is basically when you run copper wire through a ship and give it, I think, some kind of electric charge so that it makes it more difficult for... It basically turns the ship to having a neutral electromagnetic signature. Oh, so it's basically just active anti-radar. It's not even anti-radar. It's anti-mines. Oh, interesting. I always thought mines were kinetic.
So, well, yes... The problem was the Germans used magnetic mines. Got it. So that a ship would pass, the mine would get pulled towards it, and then it would explode upon impact. Got it.
So the idea with degaussing, and they were experimenting with this in World War II, was that you would run that electric current through the ship, it would, I guess, neutralize the electromagnetic field, and then you would be able to sail through a minefield without triggering the magnetic mines.
Got it. So you were electromagnetically invisible, just not visually invisible.
Some people have said that the green fog that he describes could have been from that electromagnetic field in the air, like the way that it interacted with the seawater or something. I wouldn't be shocked. Yeah.
Have you ever seen a video of cleaning metal surfaces with running an electric current through saltwater?
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Chapter 2: What was the Philadelphia Experiment about?
I want to punch that kid in the skull. The skull.
Not the face, not the nose, not the jaw, just the skull.
The face, the nose, the jaw, all of that's cosmetic damage. Yeah. That's not what I'm going for. You're going for maximum concussive. Oh, yeah. We're going to make... I want this kid and Tua Tagovailoa to be in a support group together. I'd say Antonio Brown, but I don't think Antonio Brown is... We're ten minutes in.
Incredible.
I don't think Antonio Brown is capable of attending a support group, and I think it might be dangerous for everybody else. Like a kick streamer. Yeah. So, anyway, there's one kick streamer I will mildly respect, and it's Aiden Ross, because that guy has no idea what the hell he's doing, and he just keeps going. You sure it's not because he has our name? No, it's not that. He spells it a stupid way.
Like A-I, or A-D-I-N. You're wrong. Yeah, exactly. He doesn't know anything that's happening. He's just going. Him and I show speed. He seems like he's fun. But point is, Carl Allen. I didn't get into it in the video. He did not have... It wasn't as pointless as it seemed. making this whole thing up.
He did make the whole thing up and it probably did come from some understanding of degaussing tests because he was in the Navy at the time. He was on the Andrew for us. That's all proven real things that happened. He was also a very firm believer in UFOs and aliens and did believe that. I think he did genuinely believe that he had learned something from Albert Einstein. Um,
So, factoring into it, remember there was the point in the episode where I said that he seemed to genuinely be under the impression that he had co-authored a book with Jessup?
Yes.
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Chapter 3: How does degaussing relate to the hoax?
Like, I don't think that it was all that big of a deal. But at that point, the damage has been done. On top of that, these guys, Berlitz and Moore, who I guess somebody pointed out in the comments section, I didn't know this. I think it was William B. Moore, was eventually like ostracized from the UFOlogist community because he was actively spreading disinformation on purpose.
Was there any indication of why?
I didn't get there through it. I was like, oh, that's interesting. What do you know? But it doesn't surprise me. It's the same thing we've talked about Chan Thomas. Chan Thomas, to me, seems like he was probably similar to Carl Allen. Just a guy who got some weird things into his head and got really intense about it.
But the fact that Chan Thomas got as far into the government as he did while also having the mentality that he did and the beliefs that he did and seemingly the lack of capable function is shocking even for the time.
Yeah. What's really shocking is how similar his stuff was to Jessup's, too. I mean, that's what was fascinating to me about looking into Jessup, and I'm glad I did this first, because as I've been trying to write that Ancient Aliens video, like how Ancient Aliens lies to you, as I've been trying to work that one out, I keep struggling with where do I start. It starts with Jessup.
Believe it or not, it starts with Jessup.
So it turned out it was good that we covered this story, thankfully. He was not happy about covering this story.
No, I did not have a good time writing this story. I did not have a good time filming this story, and I did not have a good time watching YouTube throttle this story.
Yeah, it's been a bad experience from start to finish, but at least something positive came from it.
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Chapter 4: What were Carl Allen's motivations?
That's funny. Yeah. So, I mean... The fact that 2012 gets that close... When this docu... I mean, granted, the declass... The unclass... They put one out in the 90s. Well, a lot of 2012 was based off the Mayan predictions, wasn't it? Yeah. I mean, that was the big thing that everyone was talking about at the time. Yeah. Which, by the way... Tangent...
The Mayans weren't saying the world is going to end in the year 2012. What were they saying? The Mayans were like, our calendar works on a cycle, and that's so far away from right now that we don't need to add the next cycle yet. There's nothing about the world ending.
They do have these ages of the world, and that, I think, was the problem, is you had the idea that the Mayans had these various ages of the world that we've gone through, and then you have the cycles, and, okay, so when this age ends, it's going to be a massive catastrophe. Mm-mm.
Also, like, important thing to note here, Jessup, for example, went on expeditions to look at Maya ruins as the astronomer along for the ride with the archaeologists. We couldn't read their inscriptions at the time. We hadn't deciphered Maya. When did we do now? The 80s. He was fully deciphered by the end of the eighties.
I think they started getting there in the late sixties, but it took a long time to figure it out. They had to get through. Cause also you got to remember, think how different we were talking about this on a, on weird Bible the other night, think about the difference between the King James Bible and the, any modern Bible in terms of the wording.
And I mean, even the King James we have sitting over there, has somewhat updated spellings. Like, the words are the same, but the spellings are not. That's 400 years. That means that the difference between the earliest Maya inscriptions and the latest is going to be massive. Probably not as aggressive as that because as language gets more and more developed, it changes faster and faster.
The number of changes to the English language alone that have happened in the last hundred years is mind-boggling.
Well, just on top of what you were saying, thinking back to Isaiah reading the 1611 version. And yeah, that's a drastically different, even though it is still technically a KJV.
Yeah. Oh, another example of this that I love is Travels into Virginia Britannia by William Strachey. Okay. It's the one that we talked about when we did the video on Roanoke. Right, right. Where, I mean, he's using terms like, you know, if you got to a place and there were a bunch of chests... Like storage chests. There were a lot of them. They were a little different from each other.
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Chapter 5: Who were the key figures involved in the Philadelphia Experiment story?
That's a long time. It drives me nuts that there's not more research into that. How do we get from this poem in the early 1400s, potentially late 1300s, that talks about some group bringing masonry to England in the 8th century, and then it developing into what it became. especially because we know that if Freemasonry is supposed to be tied to the Templars, that's way too early.
Templars didn't exist yet, so what was that, you know? They talk about, I think it's... It's not Alfred. It might be Ethelred? Anyway, they talk about it coming to York in, like, the 700s. What are you talking about, bro? What are you talking about? But I guess if it was the aliens, it all makes sense.
And it seems like Carl Allen was right on their trail.
Yeah. What I wonder is, you know, Carl Allen, Carl Alien? Maybe he knew something. Maybe he was their attempted first contact. Oh, my God. He might have thought he was. I feel bad for the guy for the most part. Like, he obviously had an untreated mental disorder.
Yeah, like very intensely untreated for a very long period of time.
I mean, it's... I wouldn't say it's quite as aggressive, but it makes me think of like Kanye where it's like this person clearly is going through some kind of mental episode and has is either rejecting or disinterested in help. And as a result, it's causing a lot of problems for them.
You know, clearly whatever happened with Carl Allen cut him off from his family in a pretty aggressive way to the point that his brother wouldn't even let him meet his kids. Wow, it was that bad? His brother was like, Carl has nieces and nephews that he'll never meet.
That's tough. Yeah.
Because it was just... I mean, he was crazy. He was legitimately not with it. He probably should have been in mental health care, in an inpatient facility. Unfortunately, back then... That was probably not better. Even today, psych wards aren't great. He probably would have been better off in one.
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Chapter 6: What are some common misconceptions surrounding the story?
Well, considering if the story's true, what he did. Yeah. Which thing are you talking about? Specifically, that he worked at S4, started leaking a bunch of information about S4 in a variety of different ways for decades.
This was back when he was working at Area 51.
Yeah, S4 was part of Area 51, according to his story.
Gotcha.
And the thing is, like, he was working there, he was seeing all this stuff, he was working with all these things, supposedly, allegedly, and then he started leaking a bunch of this information, and it's like, yeah, well, if you're working at the most secret portion of Area 51, and supposedly all this is true, and you have insane levels of security clearance, if you start breaking those contracts...
what do you expect exactly so i don't know i mean the one thing that gets me with bob lazar is that i can't imagine ufo research being any less compartmentalized than the manhattan project was so what do you mean Well, didn't he... He said he worked with, like, a number of different things, right?
No, that was the opposite. Yeah, no, he only had access to certain elements of the craft, supposedly.
Gotcha. Gotcha, okay. So my understanding was that he had worked on a few different, like, stages of it.
Supposedly, and I could be misremembering, but supposedly there were multiple crafts...
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Chapter 7: How do personal experiences shape perspectives on conspiracies?
And the fact that it truly just, in our opinion, has not been effectively told in a... cumulative way as we feel it should have, that it's just been really nice to be able to do that in the manner in which we have thus far. So it to echo what he's saying, it really sucks that we're in a position where we're not, we're not able to do it as frequently as we would like to.
Yeah. I mean, I genuinely it's, I think it's some of the best writing I've ever done. Some of the best research I've ever done. Definitely. I want to make the JonBenet series. I would love to be putting out a JonBenet video every week, every other week, something like that. The problem is that we're looking to hire a full-time editor. And if it were just the two of us, we could take that risk.
We can't take that risk once we have employees. You know? We're both trying to build families. Like, we're trying to buy houses. So... It's different. We're not insulated. If we could make more money, that would help. But we don't want to beg you guys to spend your hard-earned money on our stuff.
And I think this is the other thing is people, I think, get it in their head that we're looking for more on top of it. No, if each video that we put out did 500 views in the first month, we'd be golden to do more. 500,000, you mean? Yeah, 500,000 views in the first month. We'd be golden. But they don't.
Once they get to that point, if they do get to that point, that will be amazing because we'll be able to do one of two things. Either I'll be able to take a week off, not take a week off, but take a week off from posting and every month have a video that I got to do two weeks of research on. Or we'll be able to put out more content, put out better content. That's where we want to get to.
If we're at that point, I can... If we have 500,000 views on three videos and then 150 on one, we can absorb that. What we can't do is absorb... videos that do half as well as usual week in and week out. And a lot of people brought up two sponsorships and they were like, why does it matter how many views the video gets?
If the video has a sponsorship on it, it's because the worst the videos do overall, we get paid on an average when we're negotiating deals. So if our videos start doing worse and worse, the sponsorships bring in less and less money and eventually get to the point where we're not getting them at all. So what I'm trying to say here, and I'm not trying to complain.
I don't want it to sound like I'm complaining at all. I'm not. I want people to understand that it's not an issue of like, well, you guys don't like it enough. You guys don't care enough. No, you guys care. I care. He cares. We want to get it done. But from a business perspective, it's just not feasible at the moment. So I'm working on ways to make it work.
One of those, to be totally transparent, was talking about taking the cold case stuff and bringing it to another platform where it would be a paid subscription-based thing, but it wouldn't just be to us. It would be Pepperbox, for those of you who are familiar with Unsubscribe. So it would be for anyone who's on Pepperbox, you get access to that. It's $8 a month.
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Chapter 8: What are the implications of mental health on belief in hoaxes?
Yeah. Also, I will admit, I've seen a lot of people talking about the symbolism of Of the performance and how it was a protest. And I gotta be honest, I don't know what the protest was. Really? Just everything politically happening right now. It was not very direct. That was the intent. Okay. Yeah. So I was like, I don't... I was looking around and I'm like, I feel like I'm supposed to get it.
And I did not.
Yeah, it's more... Granted, we have been drinking all day. Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, it's... I also couldn't hear what he was saying. The best thing... Yeah, they didn't mic him well. Also, my hearing sucks. Yeah, your hearing's also bad. The best thing about Kendrick Lamar in literally everything he does...
there are multiple layers okay so like part of the reason his albums have gotten so many grammys and why he is considered such an amazing artist is because like when you look at analyses of even just a single song or a single verse he will have like 16 references within two lines jeez and like i think you were telling me about this that like there's people who have broken it down
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's just, like, the amount of things that he works into, everything he does is, like, spectacular in terms of art and artistry.
I was listening, like, while he was performing, I was listening to the lyrics and everything. I was like, oh, he writes like an author. Yeah, yeah, 100%. Like, he... His lyrics have foreshadowing.
Oh, yeah. Yeah. Not only that, but throughout the albums, because he doesn't just throw songs onto an album. The songs will build on each other throughout the playthrough of the discography. Yeah, exactly. So, yeah. So, I would imagine that there are going to be some really good analyses of the structure of how that halftime was designed. But, yeah. Anyway, going to Super Chats. Chats. It's 8.16.
I'm going to say, I don't know if we're going to be able to get to all these within 45 minutes, but we'll do it. I know a lot of them are, looks like, short.
Yes.
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