The Michael Knowles Show
2 Liberals vs. 1 Conservative: BAR FIGHT | Sisson & Chris Mowrey
07 Feb 2026
Chapter 1: What is discussed at the start of this section?
Harry, where's Harry? Joe Biden was one of the most productive presidents in modern American history. We've got to boot him out. I think most Americans agree with that. I think most Americans agree with that. I only enforce the law when I want to. What happened to no king? You voted for him. You voted for a felon.
She was breaking into the floor of the house at a time when cops were being beaten, and your daddy pardoned the cop beaters. Well. Welcome to Bar Fight. I'm Michael Knowles. I'm joined tonight by two guests.
Chapter 2: What claims are made about Joe Biden's presidency?
That's just wrong. That's just wrong. He is the Roy to Harry's Siegfried, Chris Mowry. Joe Biden signed more fiscal legislation into law. Hold on. Did he sign it? And I saw you get walked by Adam Otter on this. Can you be quiet? The crown prince of left-wing social media, Harry Sison. Now, here is how it works. We will be debating three of the most controversial topics of our day.
The bell will ring. We will duke it out for that round. And then our friends in the crowd can come up to the microphone to pick a fight with any of us. Anyone who comes up to the mic can win special prizes and a seat at our VIP table sponsored by Redneck Riviera Whiskey. Gentlemen, are you ready? Let's do it. Round one. Hey! Come on. It's now round three, I think, actually.
Harry, it's your topic. Oh, we're going with me first? What is your claim? My claim is that the Trump cover-up of the Epstein files is one of the worst scandals in American history. Okay. All right. Boom. What's your argument? I mean, look, what we've seen from Donald Trump in the past, whatever, six months or ever since he got into office, has been nothing short of gross.
And this is a serious—we're having fun, but this is a serious topic, right? We're talking about kids, women, and even some men being abused. You know, he never wanted the files to come out. When there was the discharge petition, he was calling up Lauren Boebert and all the Republicans and telling them, don't put your name on it. And he was threatening them, essentially.
And that's even what Lauren Boebert said. She's still in Congress. She's still in his good graces. And even when the files are out, it's kind of been a trickle, right? We've had some and then some and then some. And even the files we've all seen now, which they're claiming are all of them, they're not. Some redactions are there that make me a little nervous, make me uncomfortable.
And I think they should unredact everything that they can within the law. But there's emails out there where they're pretty clearly talking about committing crimes, and it's still redacted. I think the American people deserve to know who those names are.
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Chapter 3: What are the controversial topics being debated?
And I think Donald Trump should have to answer for his involvement with Jeffrey Epstein, which goes much deeper than I think the right likes to let on. You disagree? I'll talk to you. We'll have a conversation. Okay, so your claim really has two claims. The first is that Trump has covered up the Epstein files, and then the second claim is that that is the worst scandal in American history.
It's one of the worst, yeah. One of the worst, okay. I think you are impressively wrong on both counts. I love to hear it. The first being the fact that Trump not only has not covered up the Epstein files, but he has in fact to date released three and a half million Epstein files, which is the single largest declassification in American history. And it's not even really close. Why did he do that?
Did he want to? He did it. Oh, but did he want to? Did he try to stop it? Well, he released some files along the way. But he arrested Jeffrey Epstein. Did he try to stop it? He, uh, he redacted some of the files and he opposed the release of all of them, some of which is child. And he was calling up Republicans telling him not to vote.
But if he wanted the files to come out, why was he telling Lauren Bober not to do it? The claim that you made is that Trump covered up the Epstein files. That's part of my claim. That's part of the coverup, right? Him calling members. That is your claim. Yeah, right.
Chapter 4: How does the conversation shift to Trump's involvement with Epstein?
So him calling up members of Congress, telling them not to release the files, not to vote to release the files. We have to establish the first fact before we get to the second. Sure. The first fact is you're claiming he covered up the Epstein files, but then you are admitting that Trump not only released all of those Epstein files, Joe Biden didn't release a single Epstein file.
Well, I would talk about that. Donald Trump, Donald Trump released three and a half million of them, which is the single largest release of classified information in American history. If you're attempting a coverup, that's still a coverup, right? So Donald Trump just failed. He got pressured by the law and Congress, but he still tried to cover them up.
Don't you think that him calling Lauren Boebert, telling her not to put her name on the discharge petition is concerning? Well, I actually do agree that not all of those files should be released. I think some of that is a little bit reckless. I think it undermines certain principles of American justice, like innocent until proven guilty.
I think a lot of those claims have been debunked, which we saw in the files. And I think some of it is actually child sexual abuse material, which obviously should not be released. But we know that there are still more documents out there. like , which should not be released. And some claims that have been disproving, even in courts, even by judges, so obviously those names shouldn't be released.
Nevertheless, on the first point, there is no arguing. It is the largest release ever in American history, therefore he didn't cover it up. To the second point, that if it were true that he had done the opposite of what he actually did, Would that be one of the worst scandals in American history? And I can think of a few others. I'll try to go through them quickly.
Aaron Burr, former vice president of the United States, tried to establish a brand new country in America. That seems to me like a bigger scandal. Teapot Dome, do you remember that one from, you remember from social studies? Teapot Dome where the secretary of the interior went to jail because he took bribes to sell Navy oil. I'm thinking of another one more recent.
Let's say- Trump's stealing classified documents, might be. Which classified documents? Trump's stealing classified documents. Oh, hold on. The documents that he stored at a lower degree and less egregious ways than Joe Biden, where he had them next to his crackhead son. Robert Earth got no intent on Joe Biden's behalf. It's not one of the worst, but just a couple others that come to mind.
A few others come to mind. U.S. Grant, 100 people went to jail over a scandal that also implicated his private secretary. That's probably a bigger scandal. Bill Clinton using his intern as a human humidor in the Oval Office and then perjuring himself about it. I think that's a bigger scandal. What about Trump actually assaulting women? We'll get to that in one second.
The last scandal I'll mention is when a sitting Democrat senator drunk drove his mistress into a pond and then left her there to drown and remain the lion of the Senate. I think all of those and many others are much bigger than the supposed scandal of Trump not declassifying the Epstein documents, which he would have been well within his rights to do. I actually might have favored some of that.
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Chapter 5: What are the implications of Gavin Newsom's stance on trans athletes in sports?
No, you're saying that Gavin Newsom said that trans kids shouldn't play sports, period. Well, that's what Mary Margaret suggested. Well, don't throw her under the bus. She's lovely. That's what you agreed with, though. No, no, no.
Gavin Newsom is saying that trans people should play sports, but the role of trans men or trans women going into a different sport or the sport that aligns with the gender that they've now chosen, that's where he takes issue. But I do think he's being genuine. So what sports are they going to play? You're going to say that trans women have to play in the
I think Gavin Newsom holds a similar position to mine, which is let's let these independent sporting agencies make the rules. I don't think the government should be involved. And by the way, Michael, you can't have it both ways. Gavin Newsom's a governor. He's saying the government shouldn't legislate this, right? And so I would say he doesn't support men. Can I finish briefly?
Gavin Newsom is saying he doesn't want the government involved in this. Party is small government over here. Now wants the government everywhere. I like appropriate government. Well, no, you advocate for small government. Now you want bigger. I don't advocate for small government. Oh, you don't? You want big government. No, I advocate for appropriate size. Okay.
Anyway, Gavin Newsom is taking the position. All right. All right. Wow. Enough torment for Harry. No, you're right. You're right. We got to go back to the mic. Question. All right. Hello, Michael. I'd like to engage in a little bit of a friendly spiritual tete-a-tete with you. I have I'll admittedly say that I skimmed your article about Christian Zionism and I've heard your comments about Israel.
Yeah. And as a Protestant, I have slightly different views toward the state of Israel and the Jewish, well, not the Jewish people, the Israeli people. I like the Israeli people. I think we might share that view. How do you reconcile this anti-Christian Zionism, might be an extreme way to put it, with the biblical truth that we are
grafted onto as Christians the Jewish faith, essentially, and the fact that Jews have had Israel as their ancestral homeland for thousands of years. And can you acknowledge that the... Again, anti-Israel seems very extreme, but that's the phrase I'm going to use. Rhetoric that's starting to come from the right has contributed to the rise in anti-Semitism in... recent months, recent years?
Well, in the last point, I think it can coincide. Anti-Israel and anti-Semitic sentiment can coincide. Not necessarily so, but it can. So that's true. I don't know that one is the cause of the other. Probably the cause would go more likely in the other direction. When it comes to ancestral claims from indigeneity, The reason that I reject that is really more in historical and political opinion.
It's because I don't think that just because a people was in a place a long time ago, it means they have a right to it now. If that were the case, we would have to give the Mount Rushmore back to the Lakota Sioux, which is arguments that maybe some of my liberal friends would make them. Maybe not. A lot of people on the left do. But I reject that.
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Chapter 6: How does the debate on immigration and crime unfold?
And I know personally, if I'm out carrying a gun, I'm the biggest in the world. Because if someone talks to me, I let it go. Because literally anything, when you're carrying a gun, there is a huge responsibility because literally anything can become a deadly encounter. So it was incredibly irresponsible of him to go into that situation. Hold on, really quickly, really quickly, two things.
You can start to talk about the nuance of whatever the specific law is in Minnesota about how you carry, but again, I still don't believe that that, if you could prove to me right now without a shadow of a doubt that Alex Preddy, who was, again, taking care of our veterans as a nurse, if you could prove to me without a shadow of a doubt that he was Satan on earth, I still don't believe that that makes it justifiable that he's executed and
broad daylight it's an important point though hold on hold on hold on and so i do want to point out although i appreciate and you may be correct on the on the minnesota law about whatever he was required to have even if you could prove to me right now that he was illegally carrying i still don't believe that that then somehow justifies even if he's looking for trouble him being executed in broad daylight okay the gun was taken out by another ice officer so he is unarmed with what five or six i saw did he aim the firearm at any ice agent i don't
I think that was 100% clean shit, to be honest. There was a lot of stuff happening in that time, but also talking about rhetoric and Hitler, the left is just constantly dragging. Wait, Donald Trump said that Kamala Harris and Joe Biden, hold on. Donald Trump said that Joe Biden and Kamala Harris are fascists. So if you're using the same, Donald Trump called Kamala Harris a fascist.
They called him Hitler, and then right after he got shot- Wait, wait, and then in your view, they must be equally guilty. Can you name, in your view, they must be equally guilty then? Can you name? Yes or no? Guys, guys, guys, guys, guys, listen. All right, all right, yeah. We can't let Mark gang up on you. Mike, answer me a question.
Can you name what's the one prominent political figure right now who called on a stage Donald Trump Hitler? That would be J.D. Vance, his vice president, who called him America's Hitler. There's been no elected Democrat to call Donald Trump that. Buddy, there are a lot more people who- called Trump Hitler. I just want to point out. Wait, what elected Democrats did? Hang on, hang on, hang on.
If we're putting blame on calling him Hitler. Hang on, hang on. All right, Mark. Gavin Newsom just did. Gavin Newsom didn't call him Hitler? He did. No, he did not. The Newsom press team just referred to the Trump administration. Please, Mike. Give it to me. We love Mike. Give some love to Mike. They don't like Mike.
I love listening to conservatives lecture liberals about gun rights and the way you ditch the Second Amendment so quickly when it's not convenient for you is unbelievable to me. I am. Oh, stop it. I'm a gun owner. I have my concealed carry license. I have the right to carry a gun in the Constitution, same as everybody else. Alex Prudy left his house. He's protesting ICE. He's recording ICE.
He didn't brandish the gun. He didn't need it. They threw him to the ground. They shot him. He didn't need it. He didn't use it. He didn't brandish it. They threw him to the ground, they beat him, they shot him three times. If that happened to a conservative, you would be and moan it and you'd be absolutely right to.
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Chapter 7: What are the arguments surrounding the concept of stolen land?
We're just going to disagree about how to do that. Should we deport the illegal? No, because the point there is. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. I believe that undocumented individuals in the United States are generally a net benefit currently for the American people. No, no, people are going to laugh. The Cato... Hold on, hold on, hold on.
The Cato Institute... The Cato Institute. It's a right-wing think tank. Let me point this out. It's not. It's a libertarian think tank. Okay. The Cato Institute this week released a study that since from 1994 to now, undocumented people have... paid the federal government roughly $10 trillion in taxes. Wow, I think that's a gazillion actually. Hold on, hold on, hold on.
$10 trillion in taxes, and they have used benefits from the U.S. government of about $6 trillion. That's a $4 trillion surplus. And they analyzed why economically are they a net benefit. Libertarians like open borders, and especially the Cato Institute. Those numbers are wrong. Why are they wrong?
Because they actually are net takers, and if you don't want to look at the Cato Institute, you can look at the Center for Immigration Studies. One is pro-mass migrant, one is anti-mass migrant, but it's evading the question. because we're talking about the law.
Do you think that the American people have the right to enforce the laws duly passed by Congress to have their own borders and define who's in the country? Yes or no? Hold on, hold on. No, no, because I think it's a dishonest premise. It's a simple question. There are so many laws to things. I'm not asking about so many laws. I'm asking about this one. Can I just say something really quick?
Can you answer the question? Right now in the United States, we do not have enough native-born, I'm just giving one example before you speak, we do not have enough native-born U.S. citizens to work every single job. If every single undocumented person right now was deported this instant... Hold on, hold on. I'm going to bet you in the front row $20.
I'm going to bet you right now $20 that he will not answer my question. I'm going to answer your question. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I'm going to answer your question. I'm going to answer. I'm going to take the opposite. He's going to answer it. Okay. I will just please quickly. Again, there's clearly like that example I just gave.
If every undocumented person was deported from the United States tomorrow, our economy, just as one example, would fall apart overnight. Simple question. I am going to, I am going, I'm going to answer the question. You promised me that for about six minutes now.
It's very clear that in the current setup of the United States, we should allow undocumented people to have a process to find, get legal immigration status. And we should pass immigration reform to increase security at the border and make it easier to get into the United States legally. I think the premise, the answer to your question. Will you answer my question or no?
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Chapter 8: How do the hosts view the relationship between immigration and American identity?
Wait, wait, wait. I think you might find some people in here who would agree that somebody who's been here for 30 years has never committed a crime. Hey guys, should we deport the illegals? Wait, wait, wait, Mikey, let me finish.
I think you might find, maybe not in here, I don't know, but Republicans generally, you might find some people who argue and would agree with me that if you've been here for like 30 years, you've paid your taxes, you've never committed a violent crime, even if you have a speeding ticket, whatever.
If you've given back to your community, why would we deport that person instead of giving them the pathway to citizenship? If they're giving back to America, which is exactly what we want from immigrants, why would we deport them? Because it's the law. You voted for a felon. I don't care. You voted for a felon.
You can't talk about them being undocumented and breaking the law if you voted for a felon. You right there. I see you. Really quickly. You voted for a criminal. No, no, no. I do want to point out to your point. You said it's a simple yes or no question. You voted for a criminal. You talk about them breaking the law. You don't care about Donald Trump being a convicted felon.
He has not had one sip of his tequila. He is belligerent right now. He is belligerent. Okay. We need to figure out. Do we have another question at the mic? Do we have, we do, okay. Really quickly, sorry, Michael. You're not getting his money back. I just want to point out, I just want to point out, even Obama had a nuanced take on this.
His take, regardless, hold on, hold on, regardless of how, let's say, Obama's immigration policy was enforced, he obviously had a setup where he wanted to only be focusing on people within like 100 miles of the border because he believed that if you were within 100 miles of the border, you just came across the United States, he believed we should focus on criminals.
But if you were, let's say, in Minnesota, for example, and you were undocumented, it was far more likely that you were here with a family, you had built a life. And so we first wanted to focus on within 100 miles of the border. So if you asked- You know what I remember? You know what I remember? Hold on. Answering your point.
Obama said that executive amnesty would be unconstitutional, and then he did it anyway. So I remember, you're right, he did have nuanced views in as much as they contradicted themselves. Yeah, okay. I just, to your question of should we deport the illegals, even Obama would say that's a dishonest framing of the question. What did Bill Clinton say? It's a nuanced question.
Did Bill Clinton think it was nuanced? We don't care what Bill Clinton said. I don't know. We don't care what Bill Clinton said. I was born in 2002. We don't care what Bill Clinton said. We're a different party. We have a nuanced take that would help the United States. You guys nominated Hillary less than 10 years ago.
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