The Michael Knowles Show
2 Liberals vs. Michael Knowles: BAR FIGHT | Mike Nellis & Michael DeFeo
14 Feb 2026
Chapter 1: What controversial topics are debated in this episode?
You should be pissed off that the federal government is lying to you like this. Did we say military-run camps? Military camps force people to be straight. I like that. That's a strong idea. I want to know why you expect to be taken seriously in a political debate when you showed up to the debate in a hoodie. It's called bar fight. Welcome to Bar Fight. I'm Michael Knowles.
I'm joined tonight by two guests, co-founder of White Dudes for Harris, senior advisor to Kamala Harris's presidential campaign, Mike Nellis. They've lied. We should take nothing that this administration says at face value.
And now our next guest, he's a liberal content creator who spends most of his time complaining about the Democrat Party, which is something that he and I actually have in common. That is Michael DeFeo. Thank you so much, man. Here is how this show works. We will be debating three of the most controversial topics of our day.
The bell rings, we duke it out for that round, and then our friends in the crowd can come up to the microphones and pick a fight with any of us. And anyone who comes up to the mic can win special prizes and a seat at our VIP section sponsored by Redneck Riviera Whiskey. Mike, Mike, are you ready to begin? Michael, am I ready? I am ready to begin. It's round one. I love this.
Now, Mike, that Mike, you kick us off. What is your topic? My topic is Alex Preddy's death proves Trump hates the Second Amendment. All right. Make your case. All right. So to the crowd for a moment, raise your hand if you ever heard of the siege of Waco, Texas. Few people, right. Did somebody woo that? We're off to a weird start. I don't know what side they're on.
So after the siege of Waco, Texas, there was a massive increase in sponsorship and membership of militias and paramilitary groups here in the United States. It skyrocketed after 1993 through 2000, and then skyrocketed again in 2009 through 2012. I wonder what happened in those four years. So during that time,
People began to be concerned about American military operations here on our own soil in something called Jade Helm 15, where Obama was using special forces to do training in Texas. Governor Abbott said that he was mobilizing the National Guard to defend the Second Amendment property rights and civil rights of Texans. They made it a whole thing on Fox News. They called it the Texas Takeover.
as if we need to take over Texas, it's already part of the United States. And Alex Jones made it as mainstream as humanly possible because the United States was under siege from its military and its government who was going to take away its Second Amendment rights.
Wayne LaPierre made jackbooted thugs a popular term with the NRA for years about masked agents of the state coming to take away your Second Amendment rights. Alex Preddy was exercising his Second Amendment right in Minneapolis with a registered firearm, a concealed carry permit. He never unholstered the weapon, and he was still killed by masked agents of the state.
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Chapter 2: How does Trump's handling of the Epstein case reflect on his presidency?
whether or not he had a gun. That's not the question we're asking. The question is whether or not his killing and the reaction to it from Donald Trump, she did say he was sad about it, but that doesn't mean that he doesn't, that doesn't mean that he supports the second amendment around federal officers because he has said he does not want people having guns around federal officers.
It's a very different question than, Am I upset that a man was killed? I think it's entirely reasonable to be empathetic to someone being killed like that. But do you support the Second Amendment or do you not in all circumstances when you call yourself the most pro-Second Amendment president in history?
Yeah, but I guess in some of the examples I've just cited, President Trump overwhelmingly has a pro-Second Amendment policy agenda, albeit with some caveats like the bump stocks and the tightening up the background checks. And no guns around federal officers. Well, that was a point he made, which is a prudential point.
And I think this is the key here, because if we say that Alex Preddy was carrying a weapon and therefore an officer shooting him is a violation of his Second Amendment rights, I think that fundamentally misunderstands what's going on. Alex Preddy had a concealed carry permit. That's right. His parents told CBS News that he never actually used it. He never carried the weapon until recently.
I wonder why. Well, right. Why did he bring it? Why did he bring a gun that was fully loaded with two magazines to obstruct law enforcement? Can I jump in here? Hold on. Wait, wait, wait. Yeah, wait. I want to jump in here for a second because let's define the facts of the video and the facts of the case of the murder. And I believe it's a murder of Alex Preddy. Okay?
Standing on the sidewalk, goes to help a woman who got pushed down by an ICE agent, doesn't brandish the weapon, doesn't touch it, doesn't use it in any meaningful way. He gets thrown to the ground. That part's debatable. No, that part is not debatable. Go watch the video. There are questions on the video.
There's going to be an investigation, but it's unclear whether or not you should have an investigation. I'm sure this administration is going to lead with quite the investigation, Jesus. Sorry, the chairs came out a little bit for me. Look, he was dragged to the ground, beaten by like eight ICE agents, shot in the back three times. They had already taken his gun at the time that they shot him.
But the question, just let me finish my point because there's no reason for him to be dead right now. There's none. And then the reaction from the right is that, oh, he died because he brought a gun to a, to a rally. No approach. And by the way, it wasn't even a protest. You were standing on the sidewalk. That's not really the reaction as a, as a card carrying member of the right.
The question is, was the officer justified in shooting Alex pretty? And so then the question there would become what would be the cause of that? The cause would be, according to federal law, the imminent threat of bodily harm to the officers or to anyone around him. Would a reasonable officer have perceived that when a guy shows up to obstruct law enforcement to commit a crime with a loaded gun?
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Chapter 3: What evidence is presented about Alex Preddy's death and Second Amendment rights?
Okay, I have a question for Mike number three. That could be any of us. It's the one on the way right. On the right, people believe that Kyle Rittenhouse, he had a right to carry the gun to that protest. But I think we all can agree that that was unwise because of what happened. How is what Alex Peretti did any different? I think under the law, he did have the right to carry that gun.
What he did with it was what I take objection to. He protected himself from a pedophile leftist terrorist. I take objection to him shooting people with the gun that he did legally have the right to carry. What if they shoot him first? So are we going to get to that now? Because the ICE agents were not, there was no gun out. First of all, Kyle Rittenhouse had his gun out and brandished.
I thought Alex Freddie had been disarmed. There was a gun out. So was the gun out or the gun was in? I'm telling you, he did not brandish his weapon. He did not brandish his weapon. When they got him into the ground. They are federal law enforcement officers. Was the gun in or was the gun out? The first thing that a federal law enforcement officer... This is Schrodinger's gun.
It's in half the time, it's out half the time. No, no, no, no, no, no. Listen, my father was a 34-year veteran of the FBI, three-time Trump voter, huge Republican. I've talked to him about... Woo! Yeah! Let's go, yeah! Can we get him up here? I want him up here. Oh, he'd be happy to do this. But he would... What happened to me? So what happened to you, he says? All kids rebel.
I tell you, I took after my mother, but she's more conservative than my father. All right, all right. This is a good family. My dad will tell you, this is a bad shoot. And I've talked to, I've never heard my father say any law enforcement shooting was bad until this one.
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Chapter 4: How do the guests interpret the implications of Mayor Mamdani's policies?
At the time that six ICE agents had beaten Alex Preddy, got him to the ground, the first thing they're going to do is check for a firearm. And that's what they did. And one of them took it. And then another one shot him three times in the back. I'm sure your father is a very respectable guy with a nice long history serving America, and he voted for Trump, which I love.
He voted for him in all three elections that Trump won. However, I think you will find that even the subjective judgment of one law enforcement officer or another is not going to overcome the law. And even liberal lawyers seem to agree that the predicate here for using force was totally met. Alex Preddy will not go to prison.
We did a good job getting to whether or not he deserved to die when the question was, is Trump still supporting the Second Amendment by what he said? I thought we had resolved that. I don't think so. Again, I'm certainly happy to defend the shooting of Alex Preddy. Trump doesn't really do that himself. So that's my question. Trump called him a domestic terrorist over the weekend.
The Trump administration has gone after him. No, no, Donald Trump himself on Truth Social posted that he was a domestic terrorist like four days ago. Was it a re-truth? No, it was him in his own words. Interesting. Well, okay. I mean, it was in lower case, so I'm not sure he wrote a lie. I'm glad to hear that Trump is defending the shooting of Alex Freddie even more than he had been. Right.
All right. Do we have another question? Do we have time? No. I would like to go back to the original claim of Michael Three. Yes. Are we establishing one, two, three? Yes. Okay, great.
I'd like to go back to your premise, which is you're saying that his description of or request not to bring firearms around federal agents, can you describe why his request for people not to do that because it's dangerous is him being anti-Second Amendment? He didn't request, he said, you can't do it.
And that decries to me a bias against the Second Amendment because he doesn't want people who he doesn't like to be around law enforcement with weapons. And that is a concerning slippery slope because as soon as you start saying only certain groups cannot practice the Second Amendment to... But it wouldn't be groups. It would be certain situations, certain circumstances for any group.
It would be protesters, anti-ICE protesters, likely anti-Trump protesters. Yes, I agree. Criminals should not bring guns around cops. I think it's a bad idea. Protest is a First Amendment right. It doesn't make you a criminal. But obstructing law enforcement is not a protest. Can you show me in the video where you obstructed justice? in that incident where he was killed.
Don't talk about him kicking a car because it's irrelevant to the story. Well, that is a good example. It's not an example. It's not an example because at the moment... It's a good example for premeditated murder if they knew who he was prior to killing him.
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Chapter 5: What are the arguments surrounding the prosecution of Epstein's associates?
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Mike, what are we talking about? Is that a fetish of yours? Not until now. I think you keep that to yourself. This is a family-friendly crowd. Apparently. All right, my claim here is Trump's failure to prosecute Epstein's associates reveals the rot in our federal government. Okay, what's your case?
All right, so look, there is a cabal of very rich and powerful individuals, and it extends beyond party politics and partisanship or anything like that. I'm sorry, what, sir? The evil cabal is in Minnesota. Fair enough, there is an evil cabal there, too, I agree. Evil cabal everywhere, apparently. But these guys... of these rich and powerful men think they can do anything they want with impunity.
And it includes potentially Bill Clinton, most likely based on the files. It includes Donald Trump, who's been credibly on the record from people who have signed, like done interviews with the FBI on the record under threat of perjury that Donald Trump threatened a 14 year old girl. And you've got, and look, there's ton of Democrats, ton of Republicans in there.
And at the end of the day, nobody's been prosecuted. And even just for a second, set aside the powerful celebrities that we've seen, the powerful politicians that we've seen. How is it possible that a thousand young girls and a thousand young boys have been trafficked and only one person's ever gone to prison? It's Jelaine Maxwell and she runs herself a minimum security prison. And Epstein.
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Chapter 6: How does the discussion evolve around the federal government's accountability?
But then let's go down further, because I think a lot of people want to see more prosecutions in the Epstein case. Or any prosecutions at this point. Sure, other than the top two, sure. Yeah, but they moved Jelaine Maxwell to a minimum security prison and promised her a pardon. I mean, she's serving a 20-year sentence, but I agree. She's going to get pardoned at the end.
Listen, show of hands, how many people think Jelaine Maxwell is going to get pardoned at the end of Trump's term? Like, come on. Nobody. Really? Come on. Nobody thinks so, of course not. She's not going to be in prison at the moment. You can pull this up when she's done. The question then becomes, though, because, okay, we agree the premise is wrong, but the thrust is fine.
We want more prosecutions. Okay, who would you prosecute and on what grounds? Yeah, so I would start here. One, I don't believe that the DOJ has taken this case seriously at all. and just separate out the names for a second, how can they traffic 1,000 young girls and 1,000 young boys without other people who help them do that?
Who help them recruit those girls, move them around- I'm asking a direct question. Who would you prosecute? I don't have a specific name because- There you go, that's the problem. You say, we have to prosecute people. So you think it was a mom- Hold on, hold on. So you think it was a mom and pop sex trafficking operation in Florida? You're inventing a bunch of things I've never said.
I'm asking you questions that you can answer, but you're not answering them. You made a claim. You said Trump needs to prosecute the DOJ. And I said, okay, who do you want? Well, Trump is the DOJ. Who do you want? Well, they're distinct, but yes, they work for the administration. That's how Don Lemon got arrested on Friday. I'm sure it's because they're very separate.
You're trying to avoid the question. You said Trump needs to prosecute more people. I said, great. Who do you want to prosecute? And you said, Herder, I don't know. That's not at all what I said. Who should he prosecute? I said, how is it possible? You're avoiding the question. Okay, I don't have a specific name because guess what? I'm not in the FBI. Let him prosecute Bill Clinton. Start there.
Prosecute Bill Clinton. Okay, on what grounds? I don't like Bill Clinton. Whatever the FBI has in those files is clearly... Have you looked at the files? Have any of you actually looked at the files? I have looked at the files. What grounds are you going to prosecute Bill Clinton to testify before Congress? On what grounds are you going to prosecute Bill Clinton?
On what he tells Congress when he comes in to testify in public hearing. You're going to prosecute him for something he hasn't done yet? Yeah. Okay. Who would you prosecute? Look, again, I want to find the co-conspirators who trafficked these kids. Okay. So if you're asking me for their names, and by the way, I don't know the names of most of the perpetrators because the DOJ blocked them out.
They had no problem releasing the private information of the victims of Epstein's crimes, but they had a huge problem releasing the names of people who preyed on little girls and little boys. That's not true. I could give you plenty of names. Adriana Ross, Nadia Marcinko, Sarah Kellen.
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Chapter 7: What insights are shared about the public's perception of political figures?
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Now, with regard to the Epstein issue, and your position, Michael Knowles, that we know all we're going to know... I'd like to know how you suggest we react when, as Mike too said, the situation is so foobar, not accomplishing anything other than distractions. What do we do with this situation? What do you recommend or prescribe?
Yes, okay, and to articulate my view, which you alluded to, my point, which I've said from the beginning, I've been vindicated every step of the way, is... Just like Donald Trump, total vindication. I have been totally vindicated on this. There are two possibilities with Epstein.
Either Epstein is what the mainstream narrative tells us, just like a kind of eccentric rich guy who was a sex freak and had no connections to intelligence or no associates or just forget about it, move along, move along. Either that's true, Or Epstein was something else. He was a little bit more than that. In either case, we are not going to get any more information.
If it were the first mainstream narrative, which I don't believe, then we obviously already know everything we're gonna know.
If it's the second narrative, which is that this guy was mobbed up with like everybody with intelligence services all over the place, people cite the CIA, the United States, or Israel, or Russia has come out in this tranche of documents, or the Arabs, or MI6, or the list goes on and on and on. It seems like this guy was mobbed up with everybody.
And so we're probably not going to get much more information on it in terms of the radical transparency. We have millions and millions of documents from that were released by Donald Trump. When you look at any of the potential prosecutions, no one has been able to bring one because there is not sufficient evidence. And in the cases where there are in those four people that I mentioned that
they're already protected by a non-prosecution agreement. So I'm not telling you this to say it's like a great thing and how wonderful it is that all but two people got off the hook in the Epstein scandal. But I'm mentioning that because that's reality. And sometimes people don't want to hear the truth, but it's a fact.
And when people go on and tell you that Trump didn't prosecute Epstein's associates, one, that's a lie. And when they tell you that this is Trump's fault or something like that, it's totally ridiculous. If there were something for the White House to do, I promise you they would do it. This is politically radioactive for them. The problem is there is nothing to be done. And the idea...
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Chapter 8: What conclusions do the guests draw about the effectiveness of current political strategies?
I want to separate the credible claims from the false claims, some of which have been proven. But what I want to know is who was Epstein working for and for what purpose? And even that is not a simple answer.
Some people want to say he was, you know, like a super spy for Mossad or for the CIA or for now the story is the Polish prime minister saying he was a super spy for Russia and for this group and that group. And the reality is there's evidence to back up like all of that. And it's very unclear what his actual mission was.
Furthermore, the claim that he was a spy makes people think that he was James Bond, you know, training at Langley or something, you know, on a mission. But I don't think that's really what he did. I think he was a dodgy influence peddler who collected connections and greased the wheels of government and business and politics around the world. And so I want to know what that is.
I want to know the machinery of the corruption. more than I want to know the lurid details. That needs to be pursued. That we need to continue to follow. However, I'm open to suggestions on how to do it because he obviously ran a very sophisticated operation and no one's been able to come up with answers yet. Can I jump in here with two points?
The first is they have not released all of the Epstein files. That is something they continue to lie about. Should they release all the child? Not necessarily to the public. Not to the public, maybe to members of Congress, but like, look, I don't buy their claim that there's just a bunch of child p*** in there. It feels like an easy... You don't think there's child p*** in the Epstein files?
I'm sure that there is, but I think the idea that the remaining files is all child p***. That's saying it's all. Given the number of times that they've lied, we should take nothing that this administration says at face value.
The second thing is... Oh, and on that first point, they still haven't released the names of everyone who's been accused of violence against little boys and little girls in the Epstein files. They are concealing those names, and the question is why. Now, number two... Again, I want... No, no, no, wait, wait, wait. I thought you talked. Can you let me finish, please? Sure. Thank you.
And you can tell me why I'm wrong in a second, all right? But, like, the second point I want to make is you've brought up multiple times, like, is he a Mossad agent? What's this? He's a super spy. Like, what is he? And that's a very clever thing that MAGA-oriented influencers are doing right now because they want you focused on that so that you can be like, ooh, is he working for Putin?
Ooh, was he working for Benjamin Netanyahu? Instead of going, how is it possible that nobody is being prosecuted for these crimes? How is it possible that they're concealing these names and this information? I just explained that to you. They want to go, look over here. Don't look over here. I just explained it to you because you can't name the crimes or the people to prosecute.
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