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Chapter 1: What caused the recent 'chipwreck' in the AI trade?
Hello, I'm Alan Collar, editor-at-large of Intelligent Investor and finance presenter, columnist and podcaster for the ABC. And I'm James Thompson, senior Chanticleer columnist at the Australian Financial Review. And we are The Money Cafe. Well, James, it's before eight on... Wednesday morning, and no doubt you've been bashing something out about what happened on Wall Street last night.
Tell us what you wrote.
Alan, yes, I've been watching this closely and just filing on it. And I think that the story here is that it's all started with a Korean barbecue. I don't know if you spend a lot of time watching the Korean market, but it had a bad night on… Quite like a Korean barbecue, though. It had a bad day on Tuesday. The market fell 10%. It's called the KOSPI index.
And this year, it's been powered by two stocks, basically, SK Hynix and Samsung Electronics, both of which make memory, computer memory, which has become increasingly important in the AI infrastructure build-out. You need lots of memory to help make those data centers. But yesterday we saw – on Monday night we saw a bit of skittishness in tech stocks on Wall Street.
The big move there was SpaceX was down 16%. That carried over into the Korean session on Tuesday where But two things happened. One thing is that SK Hynek said that they will adjust their production. They'll make less of their AI memory chips and more commodity memory chips, they're called. That's the stuff that goes into your laptop and other devices.
Yeah.
And while this was portrayed as a move because the commodity memory profit margins are bigger than the AI profit margins, so SK Hynix is sort of making sure it maximizes profits. That's a bit surprising. Yeah, a little bit. But we have seen in the last little while a bit of a push from around, you know, we've seen laptop memory prices shoot up. I don't know if you've noticed that.
It's been a while since I bought a laptop. Yeah, if you went and bought one now, you'd probably end up paying the same, you know, let's say you wanted to spend, I don't know, I'm picking a number here, $1,500 on a new laptop. You'd still be able to find a $1,500 laptop. It would just have less memory and less compute in it than it did a year ago. because of these soaring memory costs.
There's a shortage of memory around the world. So anyway, SK Hynix made this announcement. People read it as, uh-oh, is AI demand shrinking? And that weighed heavily on these stocks. But the other problem in Korea, Alan, is that they've become very enamored with these ETFs that allow you to bet on a single stock using leverage. That's not just in Korea, is it? No, it's not just in Korea.
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Chapter 2: How is SpaceX's stock performance affecting the market?
Yeah.
And it more than doubled in the meantime. So anyone who sold out when he said it was irrationally exuberant definitely missed out.
And I think that's the other danger here, isn't it? That you do – that investors do become too bearish and there's no – Being bearish in the last five years has been, you know, pretty costly. Let's be honest. That's right. But... The Greenspan example is a good one.
These bubbles run longer than you can think, run longer than you think they will, but when they pop, they tend to be pretty disastrous. The NASDAQ was down 80% over the following three years after the dot-com bubble popped. Yeah. And I would just say that the world is even more liberal.
You keep thinking about different asset classes in the world, private credit, private equity, venture capital, infrastructure. They've all become, to a greater or lesser extent, a bet on AI at the moment because so much money, debt, venture capital investment is going to AI-related stuff. So we better hope this holds.
Yeah, so just on that subject, your colleague on China Clear, Anthony McDonald, had a nice piece the other day about what active fund managers in Australia are doing. So just to sum it up for us, what are they doing?
Well, they're not doing what you'd think they'd do. I mean, Australia is, you know, we call it a barbell market. At one end of the barbell, there's banks. The other end of the barbell, there's miners. Active fund managers are underweight those two barbells and they're looking for value in places like healthcare. You know, CSL is still a really big holding and looking for value in cyclicals.
They're underweight the banks and they're underweight BHP. CSL is getting better value every day. Yes. Indeed. So, it is a bit surprising but this is the tough thing for stock pickers. So,
So much money is now because of index investing and the way the super industry invests in Australia, which is that they have no choice but to hug the index because of this performance test, which means that if you aren't close to the index, you're going to get named and shamed by the government. So much of the capital in Australia is flowing to the 10 biggest stocks.
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Chapter 3: What are the implications of KPMG's whistleblower scandal?
I mean, maybe there's a way to regulate them Well, there's been lots of suggestions.
I mean, we've had suggestions such as limiting the number of partners that can be in a partnership. So, you know, at these big firms, you might have 400 or 500 partners. I mean, that's just, you know, should we be limiting it to 40 or 50?
And then these large businesses that are advising our largest companies and that we should expect to have not just be suddenly moving towards best corporate governance practice now. I mean, should they be forced to corporatise in some way?
Do you think that the audit function should be separated from the professional services functions?
Um, possibly. I mean, yes, I think that's been suggested and looked at. Um, I think, you know, I think the Chinese walls can be kept in place. Um... Well, yeah, perhaps I should say I thought that that could happen, but we keep seeing these difficult breaches.
I mean, as the Green Senator Barbara Pocock was saying last week in that there was a parliamentary hearing on all this on Friday, she kept saying, you know, we've now got two of the big four, half of the big four have stuffed up. Like, when does enough become enough? Yeah.
So this is a mess for KPMG and it's remarkable to me that KPMG and Deloitte and EY, all of which don't have independent chairs as a starting point at the moment. They all watched PwC go through this trial by fire a few years ago and they sat there and didn't think, oh, I wonder if an independent chair might be a prudent move. You know... People are dumb. Organisations can be dumb.
So just before we move to questions, what do you reckon about the capital gains tax horse trading now? Because it's interesting, the Greens have obviously got balance of power in the Senate and they're using that now to try to prevent the cutbacks to the NDIS.
Yes.
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Chapter 4: How do recent changes in capital gains tax affect SMSFs?
That's after tax that money holds.
Amazing. Daddy C says, would like us to take a leaf out of the playbook of Germany where they get unlimited childcare for 50 euros a week.
Yeah, I wonder who, I mean, I don't know this, but I wonder who owns it in Germany, whether it's private or government. Yeah, good question. Not sure.
And Tom actually makes the good point that should we be income splitting? So Tom's the main financial provider for his family. Excellent wages puts him in the top 7% of income. However, my wife only works two days a week part-time.
A small wage drops our household income to the 75th percentile, which is still great, but we get smashed with a diminishing childcare rebate as it's calculated on household income rather than the individual. So is there some sort of income splitting, which One Nation has pushed for in other areas?
Right.
Yeah. All good suggestions. And, Alan, you've got to say, from what we've seen on the show in the last couple of weeks, this is fertile ground. This is fertile political ground, isn't it?
Oh, yeah, absolutely. I mean, so many people are struggling with childcare. Yeah. That if the government could come up with a decent solution, it would be very popular. Yeah.
Yeah. Let's jump into some property questions. Your turn, I think.
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Chapter 5: What questions are being raised about housing affordability?
I mean, some people say, oh, it'll be 10% for sure, which would make it the biggest fall. But, you know, there's nothing the government's going to do about that if it happens. Well, this is a deliberate policy platform too, right? Well, no. Well, actually, it's interesting because the policy platform is to make housing more affordable. Yes. Not to make house prices fall. Yeah, true.
In fact, the government and the Clare O'Neill housing minister is explicitly saying, oh, no, no, we don't want house prices to fall. We just want them to rise sustainably. Yes. Yes. Well, that's because most voters own a house. Yeah. The last thing they want is for the government to be talking about house prices falling.
Yeah, fair enough. Fair enough. Good point. I guess I mean they're clearly tilting that. They've clearly taken the investor. They're clearly trying to reduce the investor's role in housing.
Yeah, that's right.
And that's going to have the same impact.
Well, it'll be interesting to see what that does to rents, I suppose. Yeah, yeah, very true. Which probably will lead to a bit of a skewing of housing towards ownership and away from rental because rents probably will go up. Yeah.
Well, if it doesn't, Labor's got a real problem.
Yeah. We've got so many questions. Do you think we should jump forward a bit? Yeah, sure. I'm in your hands. Jeff says, this may sound naive, but what happens when a company like SpaceX that floats to a trillion-dollar valuation but potentially never returns a profit? Do investors slowly sell out?
Do the more informed, larger investors get out first, leaving mum and dad superannuation funds left holding the bag, or are they too big to fail? The whole price to earnings is irrational. How long can shareholders hold? I think that's interesting.
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Chapter 6: How is childcare impacting working parents financially?
I like Sylvia's question, which I'll read out, but I'm not quite sure there's much to it. But Sylvia says, my husband and I perform around South Australia as a music duo, sole traders with an ABN, and we've always paid our own super.
Because of the new payday super laws, we are now being pressured by our booking agency to form a two-person business partnership so they have no obligation to pay the extra 12% super. We sometimes hire other musicians, so we're obligated to pay their 12% super while we get zero. We'll be left earning less than everyone else while absorbing all the extra accounting work and costs.
Enforcement from ombudsmen, union, et cetera, is non-existent for independent pub acts. If we refuse and remain sole traders, our gigs will dry up and that's it for the career that we've spent our lifetime building. I'd love to know what you think of this and what's happening to everyday workers whose livelihoods are being squeezed by this new law. I absolutely did not think of this.
No, this is one of those unintended consequences from what seems to be a good idea. The payday super laws are that instead of companies holding on to super payments for a quarter, I think you're able to do it, a month or a quarter, they now have to pay super on the same day that they pay their workers, which seems rational and logical and good, except when you see Sylvia's example where
where you think perhaps there needs to be some sort of carve-out or, I don't know, wriggle room, I guess, Alan. Yeah. Yeah, it's really tough.
Yeah, no, I thought it was interesting. So do you think we've got time for a couple more? What do you think?
Yes, here's one from James. If Trump does his ubiquitous taco, did we just witness an elbow? Albanese limps back out of the tax changes we had to have? Or will this be another change? Because he never changes, my word is my bond. Did he just trump Chalmers after an extensive two-day review? Please help me understand when Labor finally means what it says.
Oh, well, yeah, but politics, particularly when you don't have control of the Senate, politics is a matter of negotiation, you know. You can say what you like. You've still got to get it legislated, don't you?
Yeah, you've still got to get it legislated. And I think, to James's point, you've still got to – face the electorate in a couple of years. I mean, I think there's a bit of calculation here, James, that Labor is hoping that everybody forgets by the time the next election rolls around and we've all got a million other things on our mind that...
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