What women need to know about super
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Hello and welcome to the Australian's Money Puzzle podcast. I'm James Kirby. Welcome aboard, everybody. A big question. Should women do superannuation differently? Because one thing we know is that their super savings are different. That is, on average, when women retire, they have up to 25% less in super, right, than men. And 10% of women have no super at all. Now, you might think this has all improved, you know, with compulsory super. Well, there's two things here. There is a cohort of women of a certain age, and their super savings, it was simply smashed, basically, because they missed long periods at work for a variety of reasons. There's also a substantial population of women, like post-divorce, for instance, who realise that their super isn't good enough at all.
And look, it's got better. It's better than it used to be for women starting work today. But I think most of our listeners didn't start work today or yesterday. And it's really worth having a look at this.
Why do women have less superannuation than men?
It's an important issue. And our guest today is the head of investor behaviour at NAB Trade, Gemma Dale, regular on the show. How are you, Gemma?
I'm well, thanks. How are you?
Good, thank you. So let's lay it out first of all. I presume I've got that figure, right? It's the widely quoted figure, super members council, etc. But is there anything sort of for our listeners that they should need to know about those figures? Like, for instance, they're median figures, right? Median figures can often be misleading. But is that generally the picture?
So I've actually gone and pulled what I believe is the latest data. It's quite out of date. One thing you should always know with super data is it's aggregates. It comes from all the super funds, but the ASFA data doesn't include self-managed super funds. So they're quite a sort of separate cohort.
Self-managed super funds are law unto themselves, run by the ATO and monitored by them, etc. Not run by them, but monitored by the ATO. And then big super is ASFA. So, okay, right.
What factors contribute to women's superannuation gap from youth?
Yeah, that's everybody else. So these are your default funds. And let's carve out SMSS, where I will talk to them. And I'll talk about everything else, all the other super funds. They're not just default funds. They're not just the ones you get from your employer. If you went to a financial advisor, you might have a retail fund. So lots of different options. But if I look at them, actually, it's quite extraordinary. So they have cut, these are, it's June, 2023 are the numbers, but they've been published at the end of 2025. So as I said, like they're the most up to date, but they're quite, they've said, assume seven and a half percent on average return. So you can kind of extrapolate from those numbers if you wish, assuming no kind of dramatic changes.
The thing that really threw me is we do know that there's a sizable gap between men's average balances and men's median balances and women's when people reach retirement, both cohorts reach retirement. What's a real worry is that under 18s there is still a massive gap between boys. What do you mean under 18s? Let's call them boys and girls. Under 18s, so they cut this by age.
How do career breaks affect women's super savings?
So instantly there's a gap, instantly. Yeah. The average balance for a male under the age of 18 is $7,687 in 2023. And the average for a woman is roughly $4,700, so $4,699. I mean, that's a huge gap. That's massive.
Yeah, first of all, it's a big gap. But the thing that's really powerful there is all my arguments at the start about missing work, about having children or whatever over the years, it's irrelevant, right? So it's like instant. So the odds are against you from the start.
If we go to the median, right, so the average can be misleading because you get a handful of huge balances. Someone got $100,000 and threw it into super when they were 17 for reasons I don't understand, but maybe they did. $350 for a male, $220 for a female. So you're already talking a 30% gap. Tiny balances, but a 30% gap. It compounds over time. And as you contribute, it starts to... So then I kind of went, I've just cut through the numbers because they're split by five-year increments.
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Chapters
5 chapters
1
What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
0:09–1:08
2
Why do women have less superannuation than men?
1:08–2:07
3
What factors contribute to women's superannuation gap from youth?
2:07–3:12
4
How do career breaks affect women's super savings?
3:12–25:26
5
What improvements have been made in the superannuation system?
25:26–39:01