Trump’s War on Science: Vaccines and Renewables
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What are the current concerns about science funding in the US?
The Pat Kenny Show on Newstalk.
Well, I'm joined in studio by Luke O'Neill, Professor of Biochemistry at Trinity College in Dublin. And Luke, I know last week we touched briefly on your trip to America, but you've been thinking about it a lot, about the upending of science in America. Yeah, there was a big thing in The Economist, Pat, very timely, because I was there a couple of weeks ago. Trump is dismantling science in America, is the view of The Economist anyway, but there is evidence for this. Slashing funding, you know, stacking committees, advisory committees, there's consternation. And when I was over there, I couldn't get over how they were all in bits, basically, you know, really complaining about the whole thing. So it's a big fear.
I mean, they're cutting pretty much everything that might be useful going forward, and even stuff that we depended upon in the past. Yeah. Undermining. Undermining. There's a $30 billion cut in science funding in America overall, which is a lot of money. And you can imagine, in fact, the scientists are saying, oh, look, we can't do our jobs, you know. And then younger scientists are leaving their profession because of this lack of support. But, of course, Pat, he's picked two areas that he doesn't want to fund. Renewables. And vaccines. If you work in those areas and you're in America, you're persona non grata, basically. So the two big ones that I'm most worried about. Now, you can point to RFK Jr. as the architect, I suppose, of the anti-vaccine movement.
And Trump has just gone along with them. I mean, how many measles outbreaks will it take before they see sense? Well, here's the evidence. They see science loves evidence for things, and they sometimes deny the evidence, but it's the biggest measles outbreak since 1991 in America at the moment. So measles is now spreading, which is disastrous because it's a very dangerous disease. And the economists did a calculation. For everybody with measles, it costs the health system $140,000. And a vaccine prevents it. So you can see where that logic goes. Cheap as chips, you'll stop having to spend that amount of money per patient. But the fact is, children are now getting measles again in America. Now remember, 10% will be severely affected, end up in hospital, deafness.
The main cause of deafness in the 50s and 60s in Ireland was measles. So again, this is causing absolute worries. And the ongoing cost of treating people with deafness and in the hope that stem cells will reverse it sometime. But that's research will also be stopped. That's also been stopped. And the big one, Pat, that they're really annoyed about is in America and in Europe, we give children about 12, 13, 14 vaccines and we know what they are in their infancy. The Americans have cut that to seven. So RFK Jr. has stacked the committee on vaccine advice and now they've gone from 13 shot of vaccines to seven. Now, immediately, those diseases not being, they will go up now in incidence and now measles is the first example of this.
So now they're begging RFK Jr. to reverse this and reintroduce these vaccines. But I mean, it could be that Americans will become, if measles becomes endemic over there again, they'll be persona non grata. You know, we don't want Americans on our planes coming into Europe. Well, if I was going to America with a child, I would make sure that child is vaccinated against measles. Because the chance of your child getting infected with the measles has suddenly gone up now. You go to Disney or Universal. Oh yeah, make sure your child is vaccinated because there's a risk that that child will pick up measles. And you'll be sharing the, you know, getting in the same seat, holding on to the same handle as a child with measles maybe.
It's a bit like we're told to get the yellow fever vaccine when we go to Brazil. America will be like that. There'll be infectious diseases that are more common there now.
How is Trump's administration impacting vaccine research?
Now, the other area is the green area. And we know that, you know, he wants to... As well as drill, baby, drill. He wants to dig, baby, dig.
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