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Economist Explains Why Gold Is Beating Bitcoin | Bob Murphy

28 Jan 2026

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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?

2.714 - 3.515 Anthony Pompliano

What's up, everyone?

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Chapter 2: Why has gold outperformed Bitcoin recently?

3.795 - 14.829 Anthony Pompliano

This is Anthony Pompliano. Many of you know me as Pomp. You're listening to the Pomp Podcast, which is my effort to find the most interesting people in the world and sit with them for hours while I ask questions in an effort to learn.

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15.249 - 24.26 Anthony Pompliano

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Chapter 3: What is the relationship between the Federal Reserve and the White House?

24.28 - 39.716 Anthony Pompliano

My goal is to help millions learn from the world's most interesting people. So let's get into today's episode. Anthony Pompliano runs Pump Investments. All views of him and the guests on his podcast are solely their opinions and do not reflect the opinions of Pump Investments.

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39.736 - 53.68 Anthony Pompliano

You should not treat any opinion expressed by Pump or his guests as a specific inducement to make a particular investment or follow a particular strategy, but only as an expression of his personal opinion. This podcast is for informational purposes only.

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54.318 - 75.195 Bob Murphy

You know, if you're picturing a Mad Max scenario, I can't imagine a world where someone's sitting on gold coins that that's not going to be valuable. Whereas you're not as sure if you have a bunch of tokens on the blockchain somewhere in a crazy world where people are each other over bottled water. Is that going to be bad? I personally am bullish on both, but I can see how.

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75.732 - 78.015 Anthony Pompliano

What's going on, guys? Today, we've got a very special treat.

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Chapter 4: How do tariffs impact trade deficits and inflation?

78.035 - 96.957 Anthony Pompliano

I've got Dr. Bob Murphy who's going to join us. He's a senior fellow at the Mises Institute, and he's the chief economist at Infinio. In this conversation, we're going to talk about the Federal Reserve, economic policies like tariffs, what's going on in the U.S. economy, the housing market, in your wallet, and in your investment portfolio. Bob is somebody who is an Austrian economist.

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Chapter 5: What role do stablecoins play in the current economic landscape?

96.977 - 111.672 Anthony Pompliano

He has a very different way of viewing the world than most other economists you're going to hear. And frankly, he's got a kind of straightforward approach. He just calls it how he sees it. And I think a lot of you are going to agree with his views on gold, Bitcoin, and what's going on in the U.S. economy. Here's my conversation with Dr. Murphy.

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Chapter 6: How do we evaluate the trustworthiness of economic data?

112.153 - 119.179 Anthony Pompliano

Dr. Murphy, I thought a great place to start the conversation is Bitcoin and gold. Those two assets used to be kind of simpatico.

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Chapter 7: What are the implications of central bank policies on the economy?

119.239 - 133.532 Anthony Pompliano

You know, Bitcoin would go up, gold would go up, and the Bitcoiners and the gold bugs would sharpshoot each other. But really, they were brothers in arms of the sound money principles. Gold bugs are celebrating. They have done very well over the last year while Bitcoin is not. Why do you think that's happened?

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133.512 - 140.65 Bob Murphy

Well, sure. So here. Yeah. And I agree. And yes, there was a sort of like friendly rivalry among them that they could all agree on.

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Chapter 8: How do economic policies affect the housing market?

140.67 - 150.576 Bob Murphy

They didn't like, you know, fiat government money, but they had pros and cons. And of course, you know, different views on guys like Peter Schiff and such. So, yeah, I think.

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150.995 - 165.376 Bob Murphy

My read of the situation is because even going back, like when things happened in Cyprus and whatever, that it seemed to me that if people if the news were just that, oh, the Fed's going to do more QE or whatever and thought, OK, the economy isn't like in an imminent crisis mode.

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165.436 - 173.307 Bob Murphy

It's just we think there's more dollars that are going to be dumped in the system than, yes, both gold and Bitcoin would seem to go up. But it seems like if there was actual.

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173.287 - 195.075 Bob Murphy

uncertainty about like you know what what's going to happen next month then i think you would see you know people rushing to the precious metals more as like a safety you know sort of panic mode and actually maybe um you know selling off some of their crypto holdings like to raise the liquidity to be able to go do that so to me that's what and i think just intuitively it kind of makes sense that

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195.055 - 211.821 Bob Murphy

You know, if you're picturing a Mad Max scenario, I can't imagine a world where someone's sitting on gold coins that that's not going to be valuable. Whereas you're not as sure if you have a bunch of tokens on the blockchain somewhere in a crazy world where people are shooting each other over bottled water. Is that going to be bad?

211.841 - 230.107 Bob Murphy

So I personally am bullish on both, but I can see how when things really, you know, push comes to shove that some people think, Gold and silver are, you know, more time tested, whereas Bitcoin has a lot of convenience and certain promise for the future, but maybe is not the thing you want to run to as a refuge.

230.768 - 241.903 Anthony Pompliano

Do you think that there's like a Mad Max scenario fear right now and that's why gold's done so well and Bitcoin hasn't? Or do you think it's more kind of central banks or like what do you think is describing why gold has outperformed the last 12 months?

242.052 - 263.055 Bob Murphy

Well, I think all of the above that I really do think that we're starting to see, you know, the unraveling of the U.S. as being the global superpower and that, you know, there's just various metrics that I think China is rivaling it. You know, they've added, three times as much to their naval capacity over the last five years, say, than the US has.

263.435 - 283.264 Bob Murphy

By purchasing power or parity metrics, the Chinese economy has long surpassed the US in terms of total output. They've been adding to their gold stockpile. If you look at the official gold reserves, China and also Russia, like since 2000, have vastly increased, whereas the US's official number stayed the same as I'm sure your listeners are familiar with.

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