How Smart Investors Turn Bitcoin Drawdowns Into Tax Wins | Chris Kline

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What is the main topic discussed in this episode?

Chris Kline 0:00
The wealthy use these downturns for what's called a Roth conversion.

How can the tax code improve your financial position?

Chris Kline 0:03
These are the tools that are out there, but they just don't teach anybody how to do them.

What led to the decline of pensions and rise of 401(k)s?

Chris Kline 0:07
So taking even a little bit of time watching a show like this and 90% of the time they'll find a way if you have non W-2 income to really put something together that can save you over years, thousands of dollars today, but maybe millions tomorrow if you invest in the right tools.
Anthony Pompliano 0:20
what's going on guys today we had a great conversation with chris klein he is the co-founder of bitcoin ira and in this conversation we're going to go through three things one what are rich people doing how do they save money on their taxes how do they use retirement accounts and what are all the secret strategies that you should be doing but you might not know about two we talk about bitcoiners who allocated a bitcoin now they've made some money they're trying to think through how do they optimize their taxes optimize for estate planning how do they pass their assets on to whether it's their children or other family members And then three is we talk about what's going on in the market and how you should be thinking about allocating your assets if inflation, deflation, or maybe if the government's economic data is wrong.
Anthony Pompliano 0:54
And actually, you got to go look at the private market.

What are the tax advantages of non-W2 income and retirement accounts?

Anthony Pompliano 0:56
All that and more in this conversation with Chris Klein. All right, guys, as many of you guys know, my personal goal is to help as many people capture freedom as possible. And the way I think about this is essentially that if you control the money, then you control your time.

How can Bitcoin be integrated into retirement portfolios?

Anthony Pompliano 1:07
If you control your time, you control your life. But what a lot of Bitcoiners seem to have done, similar to me, is they took a very large portion of their network, sometimes over 50%. They put into Bitcoin years ago and Bitcoin appreciated significantly. And now all of a sudden people are starting to worry about, well, what's going on with taxes?

What strategies are effective during Bitcoin drawdowns?

Anthony Pompliano 1:22
How do I do estate planning? What do I do with this portfolio that has grown in significant size? And so what we're going to do today is we're going to sit down and talk to Chris Klein. Chris is at Bitcoin IRA. But what they get to see is not just what are people doing with Bitcoin in terms of retirement and taxes and estate planning, but they also just see rich people and what are these rich people doing? How are they using the tools that are available to anyone, whether you're rich or not, to actually end up in a better financial position? And what I asked Chris to do is go and just take a bunch of data and come here and explain to us what are rich people doing so that everyone else can learn from it.
Anthony Pompliano 1:55
And so Chris, maybe a great place to start the conversation is just explain how people are using some of the existing tax code to actually get into a better position.

How do taxes impact long-term investment performance?

Chris Kline 2:03
Yeah, no, great point. You know, there's holding an asset and then there's where you hold an asset. And that's really the critical difference that most people think about. As Bitcoiners, we always said, well, we were not my keys, not my crypto. Now some of us are moving into custody solutions because we want to hand it down to the next generation in a smooth fashion. But the wrapper that you put it in, whether it's a Roth, a traditional, a SEP, a simple solo case, something the ultra wealthy use, but a lot of folks can use it. They don't even realize they can.

What are the implications of inflation and deflation on investments?

Chris Kline 2:30
And once you use those wrappers, you're now avoiding the drag of capital gains taxes. I know that you and I are kind of like we're going to buy and hold forever and ever and our grandkids will hold. But there's tools you can use inside of each of those wrappers that can really give you an advantage of not either not having to sell or if you need to sell and say there's a pullback or otherwise, you can maximize on tax savings through those wrappers.
Anthony Pompliano 2:51
Now, when you're looking at these kind of, let's call it just retirement tricks to start first, what is it that the wealthy are doing that maybe the people who are watching or listening to this do not understand?

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