Menu
Sign In Search Podcasts Charts People & Topics Add Podcast API Blog Pricing
Podcast Image

The Pomp Podcast

How Smart Investors Turn Bitcoin Drawdowns Into Tax Wins | Chris Kline

26 Feb 2026

Transcription

Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?

0.031 - 3.615 Chris Kline

The wealthy use these downturns for what's called a Roth conversion.

0

Chapter 2: How can the tax code improve your financial position?

3.856 - 7.12 Chris Kline

These are the tools that are out there, but they just don't teach anybody how to do them.

0

Chapter 3: What led to the decline of pensions and rise of 401(k)s?

7.16 - 20.436 Chris Kline

So taking even a little bit of time watching a show like this and 90% of the time they'll find a way if you have non W-2 income to really put something together that can save you over years, thousands of dollars today, but maybe millions tomorrow if you invest in the right tools.

0

20.416 - 46.052 Anthony Pompliano

what's going on guys today we had a great conversation with chris klein he is the co-founder of bitcoin ira and in this conversation we're going to go through three things one what are rich people doing how do they save money on their taxes how do they use retirement accounts and what are all the secret strategies that you should be doing but you might not know about two we talk about bitcoiners who allocated a bitcoin now they've made some money they're trying to think through how do they optimize their taxes optimize for estate planning how do they pass their assets on to whether it's their children or other family members

0

46.032 - 55.961 Anthony Pompliano

And then three is we talk about what's going on in the market and how you should be thinking about allocating your assets if inflation, deflation, or maybe if the government's economic data is wrong. And actually, you got to go look at the private market.

0

Chapter 4: What are the tax advantages of non-W2 income and retirement accounts?

56.382 - 67.59 Anthony Pompliano

All that and more in this conversation with Chris Klein. All right, guys, as many of you guys know, my personal goal is to help as many people capture freedom as possible. And the way I think about this is essentially that if you control the money, then you control your time.

0

Chapter 5: How can Bitcoin be integrated into retirement portfolios?

67.65 - 82.348 Anthony Pompliano

If you control your time, you control your life. But what a lot of Bitcoiners seem to have done, similar to me, is they took a very large portion of their network, sometimes over 50%. They put into Bitcoin years ago and Bitcoin appreciated significantly. And now all of a sudden people are starting to worry about, well, what's going on with taxes?

0

Chapter 6: What strategies are effective during Bitcoin drawdowns?

82.429 - 92.264 Anthony Pompliano

How do I do estate planning? What do I do with this portfolio that has grown in significant size? And so what we're going to do today is we're going to sit down and talk to Chris Klein. Chris is at Bitcoin IRA.

0

92.845 - 108.473 Anthony Pompliano

But what they get to see is not just what are people doing with Bitcoin in terms of retirement and taxes and estate planning, but they also just see rich people and what are these rich people doing? How are they using the tools that are available to anyone, whether you're rich or not, to actually end up in a better financial position?

0

108.453 - 123.615 Anthony Pompliano

And what I asked Chris to do is go and just take a bunch of data and come here and explain to us what are rich people doing so that everyone else can learn from it. And so Chris, maybe a great place to start the conversation is just explain how people are using some of the existing tax code to actually get into a better position.

0

Chapter 7: How do taxes impact long-term investment performance?

123.635 - 140.7 Chris Kline

Yeah, no, great point. You know, there's holding an asset and then there's where you hold an asset. And that's really the critical difference that most people think about. As Bitcoiners, we always said, well, we were not my keys, not my crypto. Now some of us are moving into custody solutions because we want to hand it down to the next generation in a smooth fashion.

0

141.06 - 150.194 Chris Kline

But the wrapper that you put it in, whether it's a Roth, a traditional, a SEP, a simple solo case, something the ultra wealthy use, but a lot of folks can use it. They don't even realize they can.

0

Chapter 8: What are the implications of inflation and deflation on investments?

150.654 - 160.228 Chris Kline

And once you use those wrappers, you're now avoiding the drag of capital gains taxes. I know that you and I are kind of like we're going to buy and hold forever and ever and our grandkids will hold.

0

160.208 - 171.687 Chris Kline

But there's tools you can use inside of each of those wrappers that can really give you an advantage of not either not having to sell or if you need to sell and say there's a pullback or otherwise, you can maximize on tax savings through those wrappers.

0

171.937 - 181.388 Anthony Pompliano

Now, when you're looking at these kind of, let's call it just retirement tricks to start first, what is it that the wealthy are doing that maybe the people who are watching or listening to this do not understand?

0

181.769 - 195.565 Chris Kline

Well, the first is they're using retirement. So unfortunately, we've talked about this before, 50% of Americans aren't even using a retirement strategy today. And that's partially because of the apathy and the system is kind of rigged. I mean, you and I talk about this all the time.

0

195.545 - 215.041 Chris Kline

This was probably the greatest robbery of a generation when we moved from pensions, which our fathers and grandfathers had, to 401ks. Why? Explain what the robbery was. So the 401k was originally designed for the C-level and the executives of a business to tuck in their bonuses, basically, so that they could take their year-end bonus and say, okay, well, I don't need this money.

215.301 - 234.2 Chris Kline

I'm going to put it in long-term retirement savings. instantly those guys sitting in the boardroom realized, wait a minute, why don't we just give everybody a 401k and get rid of the pension? It takes the liability off our backs. With pensions, your money would go in automatically like our grandfather, wherever they worked. And the company was responsible for that value.

234.26 - 247.472 Chris Kline

Just like social security, you put an amount in, you're supposed to get an amount out. The minute it flipped over to the 401k, the employee put their money in, the employer put their match in, and that was up to the employee to invest it. The liability was off their backs. And if the market tanked,

247.452 - 269.022 Chris Kline

that oh well sorry you lost your 401k they they would have to pay out and take losses if the market tanked and the shares tanked on a pension so i i call that a great robbery because nobody told the average joe about it all of a sudden it was just like a new name but it was a totally different structure so what you're basically saying is with the pension system uh let's say that you have company abc they make profits they are paying their employees

269.002 - 283.848 Anthony Pompliano

The employees are contributing to the pension. The company is putting some capital in maybe. But then the company has almost an investment team. And that investment team was, quote, unquote, a professional team that is supposed to go and drive a return. Now, in the social security system, it's complete nonsense. Well, that's the government. Right? So we know that they're bad at it.

Comments

There are no comments yet.

Please log in to write the first comment.