In place of Raging Moderates, we're sharing an episode of The Gray Area featuring the Dawg. Host Sean Illing gets personal when he asks professor and podcast host Scott Galloway: What’s going on with men? There’s a growing body of evidence that men are falling behind in education, the labor market, and other areas. And when you look at the numbers on drug overdoses and deaths by suicide, it’s pretty bleak. Sean and Scott — both of whom are raising sons — talk about the struggles men are facing today, how parents can navigate the current moment, and the chall Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Chapter 1: What are the struggles men are facing today?
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Welcome to another episode of The Prop G Pod. We typically share an episode of Raging Moderates on Tuesdays, but the dog is traveling. So in place of our regularly scheduled programming, we're sharing an episode of The Gray Area, a podcast hosted by Sean Illing, a journalist at Vox Media and the co-author of The Paradox of Democracy, Free Speech, Open Media, and Perilous Persuasion.
The episode we're sharing today features yours truly. We discuss the state of young men, including the struggles men are facing today, how parents can navigate the current moment, and how they can And the challenges Sean and I each faced as young men. So with that, here's the gray area. Are men okay?
What's going on with men? There's a growing body of evidence that men are falling behind in education, in the labor market. And when you look at the numbers on drug overdoses and deaths by suicide, it's pretty bleak. And it's not just a problem for men. It's a problem for women and for our culture and our politics.
The fact is, we have an alarming number of lonely, alienated, and disaffected young men in this country. And whatever the reasons for that, and however justified they may or may not be, this is something we have to deal with. You can see this playing out on the political front. Donald Trump made explicit appeals to men and it worked. He gained ground with men, especially younger men.
And not just white men, but also Black and Latino men. For me, personally, the sort of masculinity that Trump models isn't appealing. I think he's a bully. I think he's a liar. And he projects a kind of strength that's divorced from any sense of restraint or obligation to other people. But the fact that he appeals to so many men says something important about this cultural moment.
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Chapter 2: Why are young men feeling alienated?
There's more people who want to buy it than sell it, so they have to raise the price to get enough sellers interested in selling. I've made – and I'm flexing now – tens of millions of dollars in the market. And a large part of it is I have been buying stocks since I was 13. And I still get probably monthly a text message from Cy 46 years later. You know, a fantastic male role model for me.
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I'm not here to tell anyone to have children or start a family, and that's a choice everyone is free to make, should be free to make. But do you think we'd have better, healthier, more productive men if more of us became fathers? I mean, all I can say is that it was transformative for me and my life. I badly needed to care about someone else's life more than my own.
Some people just aren't ready for kids. They're not economically secure. They're not emotionally ready for kids. My life up until I had kids, I had kids later in life. I didn't have my first child when I was 42. My life was about more. I want more money. I want more fame. I want more recognition. I want to party with cooler people. I want to date more women.
I want to have more sex, more money, more cool. It's just like, oh, I have this much money. Well, I can have more. Well, I'm in this fabulous scene. All right, I'm on an amazing party in St. Barts. Well, is there a more amazing party in the south of France? It was always more.
And the only time I've ever felt sort of sated and thought this was enough was when I have occasionally I have that moment with my boys. And let's be let's be honest, kids can be awful. It's a lot of stress. But occasionally, last night, I'm watching the Liverpool-Man City game. My kids just naturally, 17 and 14, come in, throw their legs over mine just naturally. And I'm like, dogs come in.
I'm like, okay, this is enough. I can't imagine anything more than this. It also got me, like you said, it's almost sort of relaxing. When I was single on Friday, it's like, where am I going to have brunch? What cool people am I hanging out with? What hot woman am I going to go out with? I And then all of a sudden your weekends are like, you know what you're doing.
You're taking your kid to soccer practice and you're going to some lame ass birthday party on Sunday where you want to like you gather with all the other dads and just roll your eyes like, Jesus, how did we end up here? But it's sort of relaxing. It's like, okay, I got something else that's more important than me all the fucking time. And also for me professionally, it got me very focused.
I always made enough money to live a pretty good life, to at least have faux wealth, have a nice apartment, a big screen TV, take nice vacations, go on, you know, do cool things. But once I had a kid, it was like, okay, shit just got real. I got to get very focused.
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