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The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway

China Decode: China Is Beating the U.S. in Space?!

05 May 2026

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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?

0.031 - 23.698 James Kynge

I think China's space strategy is not primarily about space. It's all about planet Earth, and particularly how to dominate the global order on Earth, of course, by enlisting space to gain advantage. And as you've just said, You know, when you look at what China and of course the US is doing in space, there's a military domain and there's a commercial domain.

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23.818 - 43.521 James Kynge

And then there's this sort of fuzzy hybrid domain, dual use, I suppose, that could be military, could be commercial. And the more you look at all of the space furniture up there, the more you scratch your head and think, well, could that be military? Could that be commercial? You know, there's a lot of intraoperability.

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46.066 - 49.41 Alice Han

Welcome to China Decode. I'm Alice Han.

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49.67 - 50.832 James Kynge

And I'm James King.

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50.852 - 73.064 Alice Han

In today's episode of China Decode, we're discussing China's huge strides in the space race, the looming $2 trillion generational wealth transfer, and regulating dim sum automation. That's all coming up. But first, let's do a quick check in with how the markets are starting the week. On Monday, Chinese stock markets were closed in observance of the Labor Day holiday.

73.585 - 93.583 Alice Han

The Shanghai composite ended the month of April up 5.66%, and the Shenzhen component surged over 12% thanks to strong PMI data and notable gains in several tech stocks. China's manufacturing PMI for April was 50.3, slightly above forecast, suggesting expansion in the manufacturing sector.

94.104 - 114.171 Alice Han

Shares of Xiaomi, the Chinese smartphone and EV maker, closed 6.8% higher in the Hong Kong Stock Exchange today. All right, let's get into it. In the last five years, they've landed a rover on Mars, completed a space station, and collected samples from the far side of the moon. We're talking not about the US, but China.

114.631 - 138.223 Alice Han

And in 2025 alone, the country executed over 90 orbital launches, setting a new national record. And in the tightening space race, China is also pulling ahead with innovations like a giant robotic arm to service satellites in space, a space telescope with a wider view than the Hubble, and reusable rockets to compete with Elon Musk's SpaceX.

138.203 - 158.575 Alice Han

China is also actively developing rockets that can take off from water-based platform. James, we've talked about space in the last few episodes, and it seems like with Elon Musk IPO-ing SpaceX, we've made space great again. But China is also a key part of this, and some of the startling videos that I've seen

Chapter 2: How is China closing the gap in the global space race?

310.568 - 338.474 James Kynge

And you've already mentioned the satellite with a grappling arm that sort of sidles up to other satellites. And the US intelligence caught, I suppose, a space-based video of this. They saw this Chinese satellite with a grappling arm sidling sidling up to another defunct Chinese satellite and literally picking it up and hurling it into what's called a graveyard orbit.

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338.695 - 367.234 James Kynge

That all happened more than 36,000 kilometers above the Earth, The Chinese satellite with the arm is called the Shujian-21. And it didn't take long for the U.S. military establishment to wonder, well, if it can do that with a defunct Chinese satellite, then maybe it can do it the same thing to one of our satellites. And the U.S. has more than 8,000 satellites in space.

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367.214 - 396.192 James Kynge

including 80 spy satellites or around 80 spy satellites, some of which are trained on China's territory and are literally monitoring every square meter of China's territory. And you can imagine that China might not want one of those spy satellites to be doing that. So in 2023, the Office of the Director of National Intelligence in the US warned that this episode, the one that I've just described,

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396.172 - 416.104 James Kynge

proves China's ability to operate space-based counter-space weapons. So in other words, weapons that can degrade US capabilities in space. And I think, you know, what we're kind of evolving into here is not only a huge commercial market,

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416.084 - 432.827 James Kynge

as defined by the number of satellites that are going up into space and all the different uses they have and their crucial nature to the economy here on Earth, but also an equally vigorous military-driven space race. How are you seeing it, Alice?

432.993 - 453.434 Alice Han

Well, I completely agree with what you're saying, James. And what's interesting to me is the growth in spending that we've seen. Just to give people a sense, the U.S. is still leading in the space tech investment era, and this is accounting for both public and private investment. They did around $7.3 billion of space tech investment last year.

453.454 - 480.451 Alice Han

That's 60% of global funding, by far the largest source of funding for space technology. But China is... catching up. And right now, I believe it's somewhere around $3.8 billion that it invested in the commercial space sector in 2025. Just for reference, 10 years ago, that was only about $340 million. So we've seen a sort of 10x rise, so to speak, in the last decade.

480.912 - 503.07 Alice Han

And certainly I could see further growth moving forward because it is very clear that In also the five-year plan, as well as the March Lianghui, remember, for you recalled two months ago, in the documents, there was a reference to China being a space superpower, you know, a manufacturing superpower, technological superpower, but also a space superpower.

503.09 - 520.809 Alice Han

So there's a lot of attention being paid there. by the Chinese government towards what you rightly call dual-use technologies, James, that are being deployed in this ecosystem. What was interesting to me also about that on-orbit robotic arm is that I believe it's a private company that is supplying this technology.

Chapter 3: What innovations is China making in space technology?

627.462 - 655.777 James Kynge

The U.S. is currently doing about 180 launches per year, mostly driven by SpaceX. But China's doing a lot of other things, too. They've had a few other milestones. They had a mission to the far side of the moon. That's the dark side of the moon for Pink Floyd fans. It's also completed its own low-orbit space station called Tiangong. There's a lot of activity going on in Tiangong.

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656.138 - 691.818 James Kynge

There are modules going up there meeting demand for further advances. My favorite space fact when it comes to China is that China is actually officially... trying to find signs of aliens. China has a huge satellite dish. It's 500 meters across. They call it Tianyan or sky's eye or heaven's eye. And it's there in southwestern China, listening for signs of an extraterrestrial life.

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692.078 - 717.748 James Kynge

I mean, because it's, I think, the biggest dish in the world, it probably has a higher capability of listening for that kind of life. And recently, well, in June 2022, there was a report in the Chinese Science and Technology Daily that said that researchers had found multiple suspicious narrowband signals. So there was a great flurry of excitement.

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717.809 - 741.588 James Kynge

Maybe the Chinese Tianyan had found some sort of sign of extraterrestrial life. But in fact, later on, scientists in the US said that this was almost certainly radio interference. But I just sort of think that It just shows the level of China's ambition. You know, this is not something crazy. They really are listening for extraterrestrial life.

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742.709 - 746.092 James Kynge

I think that just shows they're leaving no stone unturned.

746.332 - 766.011 Alice Han

That reminds me of the book series. Did you ever read it? The Three-Body Problem? It's about these Chinese, you know, astrophysicists who are also looking for extraterritorial activity and they come in the form of trisolarians. I highly recommend the book. And one last point. It can't be overstated how important satellite technology is.

766.252 - 791.286 Alice Han

And we've definitely seen that being used in Russia, Ukraine. We've seen it being used more recently in Iran. And it's been critical for the supply of intelligence and tracking used to guide precision missiles and ICBMs. So just to apply it to the current day, you know, China having capabilities to really append American satellites out in space can materially affect technology.

791.266 - 804.718 Alice Han

the outcomes of current battles that we're seeing in Russia, Ukraine, in Iran, and potentially even, you know, closer to home. So I thought that was definitely worth flagging. Okay, we'll be back with more after a quick break. Stay with us.

811.313 - 827.817 Scott Galloway

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