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H1 Monologue, Royals, What is the Plan?

26 Jun 2026

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Chapter 1: What are the key highlights from the Royals' recent performance?

10.443 - 15.652 Jason Anderson

You are listening live to the program. Your teams, your town, your program.

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To the back post. Knocked out. It's in. It's another early goal. It's Austin Trustee's first career goal for the United States. They still tell me that allowed Yilmaz to run off to try to turn on Aguilar. Able to capitalize on that loose ball in the middle. Beats Matt Turner. Turkey tie the game inside of 10 minutes. Nice little move around the outside. Comeback cross. 2-1 Turkey.

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Great little sequence. And down for the U.S. Ball's knocked out. Full up shot. There's a goal! Sebastian Berhalter! Who ties the game! And he wants more! Chance for a cross. Comes back to the top of the box. Now it's clipped in at the back side.

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80.086 - 85.233 Dax Shepard

And now, with no idea why I chose that song, Jack Johnson.

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85.774 - 97.29 Jack Johnson

You got me there, Kay. You got me there. Another edition of the program on Sports Radio 810. I actually have no idea why you picked that song. Kyle, you're a bit more of an old head music-wise.

97.47 - 120.772 Dax Shepard

It went right over my head. That's a song by Rod Stewart. Came out in the early 80s, early mid-80s. He's still on tour, too. I know. It's amazing he's still alive. The song does not say the words in the song, but the name of the song is called Young Turks. Now I know why you picked it. I didn't know initially. I knew I'd have to. Clever.

121.012 - 133.426 Dax Shepard

There might be, like, I think Todd would get that, and Drake, Danny would get it, and that's about it. Jason and Sterling would get it. No, Jason and Sterling both said that they wouldn't have gotten it. Oh, okay. Jason said there's no way I would have gotten that.

134.708 - 136.63 Jack Johnson

Fair. What about Petra? No. No.

137.17 - 137.631 Dax Shepard

Not a chance.

Chapter 2: How does the current state of the American League affect the Royals?

301.311 - 322.271 Jack Johnson

Hopefully you have stuck around by then listening to the entire show here today, but very similar to buy or sell. We go over a topic. We give a question. All three of us will have anywhere from four to five questions and we'll go around this round table and say, are we in on that or are we out? Do you like your questions? I do.

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322.391 - 329.738 Brennan Vogt

I think it's going to have a great debate. I stole one from Jeff Passon, but yeah, I like him. It's all right. He's a good guy to steal from.

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329.718 - 350.086 Jack Johnson

Hopefully we can get somewhere between 30 to 35 minutes out of it. That would be my hope in the final hour of this show. I'm looking forward to this. Yeah, very much looking forward to that one. And then as we always do, we'll wrap up this show with the kicker. The Royals will begin a three-game series in Chicago tonight against the very surprising Falcons. First place, Chicago White Sox.

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350.146 - 368.672 Jack Johnson

The Royals are dead last in the American League Central, I should say. They're tied for dead last in the American League with the Los Angeles Angels. And if you've been living under a rock, you would be unaware of the fact that the American League might be as bad as it's been ever. I was trying to think of the last year it was this awful.

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369.092 - 400.494 Dax Shepard

I looked up earlier. I was thinking maybe an angle for a sports center lead, and I decided to go with something else. The last time that all five teams in one division had a negative run differential on June 26th was the NL West in 2005. So it's been 21 years since we've had a situation like this. Five teams, all in the red. It's brutal looking at it right now.

400.554 - 413.348 Dax Shepard

In fact... And the whole American League is brutal. It's the first time since 58 that only two teams in one league had a positive run differential. That's how crazy the American League is.

413.768 - 424.6 Jack Johnson

You've got the Yankees, who are by far and away the American League favorite. They have a run differential of plus 110. Second place, the Tampa Bay Rays at plus 13.

424.92 - 448.259 Dax Shepard

Yeah, and they were zero... Yeah, until they beat up on the Royals last night. No, it was until before game three they were at zero. I think Seattle was plus. Seattle is now plus four. The Rays joined them with their two games, but they could have fallen even further. We've not seen this before.

448.94 - 469.949 Jack Johnson

In case you're wondering, and I know you are, the Royals are negative 49. Surprisingly, they do not have the worst run differential in the American League. And no, it's not the Los Angeles Angels. The Angels have a run differential of negative 36. It would be the Athletics. Negative 54, and they are 39-42.

Chapter 3: What challenges are the Royals facing with their roster?

673.36 - 691.485 Jack Johnson

They're also a bad weekend away from being the worst team in the American League record-wise. The trade deadline's approaching. And I remember J.J. Bacolo had a conversation with Andy Rogers about, we'll find out a lot about this team over the next month or so. Because you're not going to make any significant trades before the Major League Baseball draft.

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691.885 - 709.386 Jack Johnson

It's usually after that when the focus completely shifts to the trade deadline. And the Royals are in this weird limbo and really not as weird as what Baltimore or Texas or Minnesota is going through where you are a game and a half out of a playoff spot or the Athletics or the Astros.

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710.027 - 726.426 Jack Johnson

I mean, the only team that should feel comfortable for a playoff position in the American League, New York Yankees, Tampa Bay Rays. I'm even saying that about the Royals opponent tonight, the Chicago White Sox. They're leading this division. And they probably will be a playoff team if they continue to stay healthy.

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726.887 - 743.943 Jack Johnson

But I'm sure there are some White Sox fans that are a bit more pessimistic going, we've enjoyed this ride, but at some point adversity is going to strike. Could collapse at any moment. They've been without Munitaka Murakami, who was their all-star slugger. They've been able to tread water. They took a series from the Guardians, who were first place going into that series.

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744.383 - 761.914 Jack Johnson

Cleveland's thinking to themselves, Jose Ramirez is on the injured list. Can we stay alive this long with this offense? The Athletics are saying, we don't have any pitching. We've got a guy like Kurtz, a guy like Soderstrom. When they get healthy, when this offense, you know, Shea Langoliers, we're going to be just fine. And we play in a hitter-friendly ballpark.

762.315 - 782.85 Jack Johnson

There are so many different storylines in the American League. But one thing that I feel very strongly about with the Royals is they need to look in the mirror and understand who they are. The goal of every team is to not just make the postseason, it's to make a World Series run, to get hot at the right time, to be the one hoisting the trophy when it's all said and done.

783.391 - 806.651 Jack Johnson

The Royals are not going to be able to do that. I don't believe I'm sticking my neck out there or anything like that. They're not a playoff team. They have shown us enough by now. They are not a playoff team. And what you need to detach yourself from is the 2024 team and how they got there. As I'm watching the game yesterday, I see Seth Lugo get blown up. He gives up seven earned runs.

807.132 - 826.526 Jack Johnson

He gives up three bombs, two of them to Junior Caminero. And the Royals gave that extension to him last trade deadline. I'm sure they took a couple of calls. They didn't like the return. And they said, you know, we're just going to keep him here because they were concerned about the opt out at the end of the offseason, that if he pitched well enough, he was going to opt out.

826.546 - 846.957 Jack Johnson

The Royals were going to pay him the money. They decided to pay him the money because they believed that Seth Lugo in 2024 was going to be the guy for at least two more years. It's not looking that way. They gave Michael Walker the extension. Because when you saw that success in 2024, it was the belief of this is the first year of multiple years of contention.

Chapter 4: How is the trade deadline impacting the Royals' strategy?

1052.127 - 1070.954 Jack Johnson

If you get a good call about Daniel Lynch, you trade Daniel Lynch. We know relievers have short shelf lives in Major League Baseball. They had it for Scott Barlow a couple years ago. They kept telling everybody, well, we need a closer. We need to stay competitive. And then they lost value in Scott Barlow. Didn't get what they could have gotten for him two years earlier.

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1071.635 - 1095.076 Jack Johnson

You need to go into this trade deadline with what I like to call a soft sell. Stop looking at the standings. Stop saying we're a good week away. You can still be competitive in the second half. But you got to go and retool this team a little bit. Because what I believe they're running into is the lack of depth hurting them tremendously. Too much pressure on guys to be the heavy lifters.

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1095.777 - 1118.982 Jack Johnson

Maybe putting too much on Vinny Pasquantino and Garcia to be top players in this sport based off of, for Garcia, one really good year. Vinny Pasquantino, a couple of pretty good years. But putting too much on them and saying, you're the guys that got to drive the bus. A big reason, Curtis, which I know we'll get into here shortly, Salvador Perez finally having father time catch up to him has...

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1119.13 - 1139.662 Jack Johnson

hurt them severely. To have somebody in the cleanup spot OPSing south of 600, that's not going to cut it for any contending team. And well south of 600. Well south. Currently at 576. He is slugging 332. Salvador Perez. Yes. Salvador Perez, who is going to be the all-time home runs leader. for the Kansas City Royals.

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1140.283 - 1161.406 Jack Johnson

That was something maybe you put too much stock into in the offseason and didn't have much of a cushion, unless they viewed Carter Jensen being that cushion of, hey, if Salve doesn't cut it, well, then Carter Jensen's going to be the everyday catcher, which it kind of seems like they're transitioning to that anyway. But Vinny's struggling. Garcia's struggling. Salvi struggling.

1161.426 - 1178.406 Jack Johnson

We can play the game of eventually they're going to become the guy we expect them to, or they might not. And that's why the trade deadline, I would hate to see them stand their ground and go, well, we don't like the offer for this guy or this guy. I'm not saying you trade guys just to trade them. But you need to be listening on some of these offers.

1178.846 - 1202.243 Jack Johnson

And if somebody gives you a really good offer for Daniel Lynch or Seth Lugo or Michael Waka, you might need to pull the trigger. Even if that means in the offseason you're down a consistent guy like Michael Waka, it's about that retooling of we got to get younger. We got to get more years of control here. And then if we've cleared up some space financially –

1202.223 - 1222.307 Jack Johnson

We then can go spend on that bat you've been searching for for three years. We then can go get that workhorse, that true number one. I like Cole Reagans. I like the stuff that he has. You cannot go into 2027 handing him the number one spot. Durability is a part of your talent. You need to have somebody in that rotation that can log 200 innings again.

1222.287 - 1232.017 Jack Johnson

The teams that have no 200 innings guys, 30-plus starts guys, they don't make the postseason. And if they do, they don't make a deep run into October. That's what I'm viewing with this team at the deadline.

Chapter 5: What moves should the Royals consider before the offseason?

1427.091 - 1453.849 Dax Shepard

And if they win four or five games in a row, they're going to lose two or three in succession after that. It's just not going to happen because it can't happen. And so, to me, it's beyond just... being open to making deals. I think they need to, right now, begin aggressively figuring out who they think will be here. Really, almost nobody is untouchable.

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1454.639 - 1479.521 Dax Shepard

What kind of team do they want to be in 2027 and start building toward that? It doesn't mean you give up on this year. You still compete, but figure out the path forward now because the gate closed on 2026 within the first two months. We just kind of... as a group of people who covered this team for six months, we didn't want to be like, the last four months going to be nothing?

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1480.102 - 1497.994 Dax Shepard

Well, competitively, they are. There are still other compelling things about it. But there simply isn't any foreseeable path to a rebound. So it needs to all be about the future. Any move they make from here to the end of the season has to be about next year.

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1498.7 - 1515.861 Jack Johnson

JJ Bacola, when he took over as the president of baseball operations, the general manager of the Kansas City Royals, I remember him talking about being transactional. I believe we've seen that. We've seen him be transactional in years where there was nothing to play for. 2023, it was all an evaluation year. They lost 106 games. The next year, they make the postseason. Transactional, the deadline.

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1515.881 - 1534.943 Jack Johnson

You bring in Lucas Ersig. You bring in Paul DeYoung. It wasn't a crazy deal, but it was a transactional move. It's just little pieces here and there to improve the team. Last year, you had Randall Gritchick. You had Mike Yastrzemski. You add a couple of pieces to maybe get you over the hump and give you a little bit more depth. I see more of the same this trade deadline.

1534.963 - 1550.381 Jack Johnson

I could see them trading away major league talent for major league talent. I don't think there's any need to trade prospects to go get a major league player. I don't believe they need to trade a major league player to get low-level guys. Because you still need to have that hope of competition next year.

1550.902 - 1569.146 Jack Johnson

And if you truly believe the pieces are in place, then you need to make a trade that might hurt your big league roster in the moment. I thought that in the offseason, there was so much of this, we can't give up Reagans because of what Reagans can be. Now, we all know the deal I'm talking about. It was Cole Reagans for Jaron Duran.

1569.166 - 1586.084 Jack Johnson

Jaron Duran has not been good for Boston this year, and it probably would have been a wash of a deal because Reagans would have been healthy. Duran would have underachieved for the Royals. Another one would have been I know teams were interested in Noah Cameron because Noah Cameron was coming off of a top three finishing rookie of the year voting.

1586.925 - 1610.28 Jack Johnson

And I thought to myself, well, the Brewers make these trades all the time, not just saying because of Isaac Collins. But they get what they get out of a certain guy and go, long-term, I don't see him being a crazy elite front-line starter. They went, Isaac Collins gave us four really good months, and he's a 27-, 28-year-old rookie. We need more pitching depth.

Chapter 6: How do injuries affect the Royals' current season outlook?

1819.628 - 1822.753 Jack Johnson

And it was, if this doesn't work out...

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1822.733 - 1841.299 Dax Shepard

And they probably don't win the World Series without those two trades. Exactly. We saw what Cueto did in a couple of big games at home, and we obviously saw what Ben Zobrist did to the lineup. I mean, the guy batted second and was a major cog in that team. They don't win the World Series without those two trades. And that's...

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1841.279 - 1859.09 Dax Shepard

Before all that happened, we had Jim Bowden on, who had been the GM of the Reds and was an analyst at ESPN. And he coined a phrase that I had not heard to that point, but it has stuck in my brain ever since. He said the Royals need to make a trade that hurts. And they hadn't to that point, and they did.

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1859.13 - 1884.096 Dax Shepard

And had you not gotten to it, I was going to get to that trade, December 9, 2012, when they sent Will Myers to Tampa and returned, got Wade Davis and James Shields. That was the day. The 2014 series and the 2015 championship was born on December 9th of 2012. And they have to be willing to make that move. And they did, and they really haven't since 15.

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1885.137 - 1910.351 Dax Shepard

And that deal in 15 was a different set of circumstances than in 2012. They haven't made a move like that as a team that needs to improve drastically. And at some point, they're going to have to because that's really the only way – They're set up to do it. You're going to have to try to take that chance that you let go of a guy that you like and he goes off and is really good somewhere else.

1910.371 - 1938.69 Dax Shepard

You have to make that because they're not going to be able to outspend teams. You can't draft your way to greatness because it takes too long for even the best players to really get ready to be able to contend. So they have to be shrewd traders. And, you know, J.J. Pecola, for a lot of the flack he gets for the roster, has been a pretty decent horse trader in some middle areas. Yes.

1938.79 - 1961.215 Dax Shepard

He's found some good value from guys you didn't expect to get much from. Now they need, I think, to make some moves for some guys that you think are going to be really impactful players moving forward. One of the best things that's happened this year is that one of the biggest – determining factors of their future success, Jack Caglione, seems to have found himself.

1962.016 - 1985.144 Dax Shepard

And if that happens, Bobby Witt at some point will be healthy. You've got two guys who could potentially be MVP-type players. That's a nice start. You've now added a second because as good as Vinny Pasquantino has been, the only guy they've had that you think might be on the cover of Sports Illustrated in October was Bobby Wood Jr. Now they have a second guy, maybe.

1985.264 - 2009.897 Dax Shepard

He's a guy who, and I've said this before, that if greatness was expected of a player, if they had the pedigree, I'm much more trusting of early success from that person than if they came out of nowhere. And so because he was the sixth overall pick and lit it up in college and lit it up in the minors, I kind of think what we're seeing from Jack Aglione right now is legit.

Chapter 7: What are the implications of Bobby Witt Jr.'s performance?

2205.183 - 2226.182 Jack Johnson

I did some digging yesterday. Josh Rojas, I don't believe, has played shortstop since 2021 or 2022. He's been predominantly third base and second base. He's the only option they got other than Tyler Tolbert. So that's why he's at short. Nick Lofton third. Someone does. And Isaac Collins will round it out. He'll hit ninth and play left field. It'll be Stephen Cruz as the opener.

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2226.262 - 2241.275 Jack Johnson

Earlier today, they made the roster move. Stephen Kolick was put on leave because he's expecting the birth of his child, Mitch Spence. He's not having the child. He's not having the child. His wife is. His wife is, so we wish nothing but the best for him, and he'll probably rejoin the team in the coming days.

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2241.296 - 2252.178 Jack Johnson

He'll be back, I'd assume, for his next start, which would be against Philadelphia next weekend in Kansas City. Friday, Sunday, Monday.

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2252.719 - 2254.662 Dax Shepard

Yes, it is. Three-game series.

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2254.742 - 2278.497 Jack Johnson

Right after the three-game set with the Cardinals where they were playing Thursday, Friday, off Saturday, then Sunday. I did want to get into this, though, before we move off the Royals in hour number one. A big reason why I believe J.J. Piccolo has to have his statement offseason is because though Bobby Witt Jr. 's opt-out isn't for a couple of more years...

2279.033 - 2298.736 Jack Johnson

You have to make it seem to not only Bobby Witt, but to Jack Caglione, we are committed to winning. And you have to understand, and we'll see what happens with the CBA stuff, and will there be a salary cap? Will there be a limit on how many years you can give out in a contract?

2299.697 - 2318.088 Jack Johnson

But the Royals are likely never going to be the New York Yankees, the Los Angeles Dodgers, the Mets, or the Phillies when it comes to spending a lot of money. Seems unlikely. However, this past offseason, the Baltimore Orioles coming off of a very similar year to what the Royals are going through right now. Remember, the Orioles lost to the Royals in 2024.

2318.869 - 2339.798 Jack Johnson

They did not re-sign Corbin Burns as a higher-seeded team. They had the home field in the Wild Card Series, but they didn't spend money on Corbin Burns. They said, we love our young core. We got Adley Rutschman. We have Jackson Holiday. We've got... Gunnar Henderson, our staff's going to be fine. The Orioles sucked last year. They were bad.

2340.76 - 2361.572 Jack Johnson

And Mike Elias, who had turned around the Houston Astros, had turned around the Baltimore Orioles, he went into the offseason and goes, we can't do this again. And they gave a lot of money to Pete Alonzo. They went out and outbid the New York Mets, a place that I believe Pete Alonzo never wanted to leave. And the Orioles said...

Chapter 8: What future strategies should the Royals implement for success?

2556.864 - 2576.465 Jack Johnson

But to compete in Major League Baseball, and as I said, we'll see what happens with the lockout and this and that, you have to spend money. And even if we're going to go, well, look at the Rays. Look at Cleveland always winning their division. Does Cleveland get that far in October? They did in 2016 because they were really aggressive at the deadline.

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2576.485 - 2599.054 Jack Johnson

They had a superstar for cheap in Francisco Lindor and Jose Ramirez and Carlos Santana was still good. Jason Kipnis was still good. They had an elite bullpen. They they assembled what was the 2015 Royals, basically. But in today's game, you got to spend money. It's not going to answer all your problems. The Mets fired Carlos Mendoza today and they have a top five payroll.

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2599.945 - 2619.785 Jack Johnson

But you can't be bottom five and expect to win a World Series in this era. You can't go up against the Dodgers with the 27th best payroll in baseball. And this offseason, you need to make that jump from 24th, 25th to like 10th, in my opinion. You got to go get a couple of deals that, yeah, it might not work out. But you know what also might not work out?

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2620.525 - 2637.823 Jack Johnson

You continuing to roll out the same guy saying, well, look what they did in this year. Look what they did in this year. I want you paying for a guy of what they just did. not what they could be, who they are now. Take a quick break, come back, wrap up hour number one of the program. Wrapping up hour number one of the program on Sports Radio 810 WHB.

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2638.303 - 2657.762 Jack Johnson

I'm your host, Jack Johnson, Curtis Seabolt here, Kyle Collier producing this thing. We got Danny Unleashed to open up hour number three, so we'll get Danny's thoughts on the World Cup, NFL, probably circle back later on for Major League Baseball, just since we covered the entire first hour with Royals talk and what they might do in the offseason. I'm looking right now

2657.742 - 2668.621 Jack Johnson

for the free agents out there for the upcoming year. So, yeah, Suzuki might make a little bit of sense. Randy Arrozarena, if you're looking for a left fielder.

2669.302 - 2670.203 Dax Shepard

Arrozarena.

2670.904 - 2694.323 Jack Johnson

There are guys you can go out there and give a big contract to. I'm sure Taylor Ward will be of interest to the Royals. He has been since 1995, I'm sure. Maybe not jazz chisholm. No. But there are options. There are bats you can spend on. It might be a little bit expensive. It might be an expensive deal.

2694.603 - 2700.876 Dax Shepard

We shall have no jerk fiddles in the Royals' clubhouse. No. He and his lollipop can blow pop.

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