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H3 Sam McDowell

23 Jun 2026

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Chapter 1: What event is being promoted at the beginning of the episode?

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Chapter 2: Who is Sam McDowell and what topics will he cover?

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Isn't it nice walking in and they actually are like, oh, hey, I'm glad you're here. Yeah.

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Let's welcome Sam McDowell from the Kansas City Stars. Sam, how are you, buddy? I'm doing great.

143.604 - 144.045 Sam McDowell

How are you doing?

144.025 - 158 Petro Siebel

Doing very good. And can I talk to you about the Giannis trade? Sure. Okay. Frank waved me off. Did he? Yeah. Who will ultimately get the better of that deal, the Heat or the Bucs?

160.983 - 169.712 Sam McDowell

To be honest, it's a weird match to me for both teams. But I guess I'll say the Bucs.

Chapter 3: What are the implications of the Giannis trade for the Heat and Bucs?

547.938 - 561.435 Petro Siebel

Well, I think they've got... They've got three guys. And I think it infected Carl Anthony Towns. Jalen Brunson is a lead dog. There's no doubt about it. And there's some hero ball that comes with him sometimes. You're like, I should have given that one up.

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561.695 - 564.899 Sam McDowell

Well, he leads the NBA in time of possession.

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565.059 - 585.76 Petro Siebel

Yes. But there are three unselfish players around him. I mean, Jason Hart, OG Ananubi, and Michael Bridges are unselfish players that play well with or without the basketball. They all move the ball well. They all can shoot a three if you need them to. They'll all defend. And the guy I love the most, he's one of my favorite players in the league, is Jason Hart.

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Josh Hart.

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587.201 - 608.245 Petro Siebel

Or Josh Hart. Because he, I love him so much, I don't even know his first name. Because he is the ultimate, I called him, he's the guy we all think we are when we play pickup basketball. oh, yeah, I'm not going to lead us in scoring. But, I mean, I play lights-out defense, and I move the ball, and I'm always in the right spot. And if you need a big shot, I mean, I'll hit a shot.

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When I hit it, it's going to be a big one. You know, like, that's who he is, though. That's who we all think we are when we play pickup basketball. But he is that guy. And then he's completely self-aware. Did you hear his comments about talking about his game?

Chapter 4: How does Giannis's health impact his potential trade?

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Like, if I'm the second-leading scorer, like, get the lottery balls ready. Like, we're in trouble. Now, if I'm our fourth-leading scorer, okay, we've got a pretty good squad. But just to be that self-aware of, I know what I do, I do it really well, but I'm not trying to pretend I'm more than I am, and I'm not trying to be more than I am. And that is so valuable. to have on your team.

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642.496 - 647.503 Sam McDowell

Yeah, and I think, look, I think Cat has been a better fit there than I anticipated.

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647.523 - 653.071 Petro Siebel

But don't you think he's also played the roles they need him to play? Yeah, but like... He's been less of a prima donna.

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653.231 - 674.04 Sam McDowell

Yeah, well, and one of the things is, like, they have guys who are comfortable playing without the ball because Brunson literally does lead the league in time of possession. He averages... eight seconds per possession per 24-second shot clock. That's a ton that he's holding on to the ball. But it works because of the pieces who you've surrounded him with.

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674.22 - 689.142 Sam McDowell

And it's another reason why I think Giannis and Bam could be an uncomfortable fit. And it's also why, like, I was looking into this a bunch last night just in the Darren Peterson context as far as what spot is best for him when –

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you look at the draft because the guy who's second on this list, now he didn't play last year, so you've got to date back two years, behind Brunson as Trey Young holds onto the ball a ton. And Darren Peterson's the guy who plays with the ball. He's a ball-dominant player.

703.718 - 726.309 Sam McDowell

And I think that, first of all, I think the market is clearly showing that DeBonsta's overwhelmingly likely to go one, and that drops Peterson to two, maybe three, but I think most likely two. And... But Trey Young is part of the team that has the first pick, and I'm thinking, you know, it's great to go number one, but it's better to have a good fit.

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And Utah also has two guys who are very ball-dominant, but they're not – They didn't just get paid $200 million. They pretty much told Trey Young, it's your show, man. Yeah, exactly. And so I think you can bring in Darren Peterson if you're Utah, for example, at number two and say, we need you to be our lead guy.

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We need you to be the guy who's playing with the ball a lot because what we saw happen with KU last year is Melvin Council got going when he was the guy holding the ball a lot. When the ball was in his hands, he found a role Then when they tried to play him and Darren Peterson together, Melvin Council wasn't nearly as effective because he's not a shooter.

Chapter 5: What are the challenges surrounding the upcoming NBA draft?

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The part that we're in the dark on is some of the most significant information you can have on Darren Peterson, which is the interview. And there's lots of the frustration we had as media here in Kansas City was the questions that weren't answered. They were answered short. They were incomplete. And you're going to have to answer those when when you had these interviews.

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1218.564 - 1238.458 Sam McDowell

So that's I mean, the NBA teams were picking in the top three who interviewed all of these guys. The most important one on their list was Darren Peterson, all of them. And so we don't know how those interviews went necessarily, but I think the talent-wise, knowing the availability I'd give them.

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1238.659 - 1240.566 Petro Siebel

I do think there's an attitude.

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1240.664 - 1268.967 Petro Siebel

issue too the whole i mean and maybe it's because maybe one day he's gonna be like hey get these people out of my ear and you'll be like okay that he's a he's a better guy but the whole i'm only talking to washington the fact that the jazz didn't talk to him till last weekend stop reportedly stop your your your resume does not say that you only talk to the one whoever gave you that you got to be smart enough to be like hey you know you're the guy i was listening to on how we were handling things at kansas and that didn't go so good stop listening to these fools

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1270.415 - 1281.324 Sam McDowell

I mean, if I didn't want to go to Utah, I guess, did you have the same issue? That's another thing. Did you have the same issue with Eli Manning, for example?

1281.905 - 1299.024 Petro Siebel

Yes. And I think Eli Manning is going to be one of the worst Hall of Famers. I think he will eventually get in. He's going to be one of the worst Hall of Famers in there. Yeah. But first of all, I'd love to be one of the worst Hall of Famers. I would too. But I'll make you the case. I don't think Eli Manning should probably be in the Hall of Fame.

1299.044 - 1323.99 Sam McDowell

Yeah. But I guess what I'm saying is... He was not Peyton, I will tell you that. I've never blamed somebody for wanting to go to one destination over the other because this is your career. It is where you have to live. It's where you're employed. And the organization in which employs you, especially ones that don't look like they really have much of a plan, like Utah, it doesn't bother me.

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You don't mean Utah has a plan? No, he says he wants to. That's what he says is that it's fine going to Utah, a good organization. Washington has a plan. I disagree that Darren Peterson fits into it.

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What is the plan that's better in Washington than it is in Utah?

Chapter 6: How do injuries affect player performance in the Royals' season?

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And they don't have all kinds of funky stuff they're doing. Like, you know, listen, I love our Casey Kidd in Milwaukee. I mean, but his arm is going to be in the catcher's mitt here in about... A year and a half. He's throwing 105 miles an hour. I've seen this story. It's called Kerry Wood. And unfortunately, I think that's how Mizorowski's going to end. That is just too much stuff.

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But how you win the World Series is when Mizorowski is your number one at 21 years old. At 22 years old. How you get that true ace is the guy that you're getting him before he's blown up. Because he's going to blow up. Kerry Wood blew up. Steven Strasburg blew up. Everybody looked at that delivery and where it was. So what would you do if you're the Brewers?

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The Brewers do a really good job of always, and Jeff Passon pointed this out, that they use the guys for five years and then move them. They've done that multiple times.

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2329.92 - 2334.787 Sam McDowell

Yeah, and they got ripped for trading Josh Hader and it worked out. But what would you do if you were the Brewers and you got Mizorowski?

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The Brewers are also in a position where they've got pretty much all the spots filled. They're not out looking for something. But if I were the Brewers with him, I would ride him for a couple of years and then I would be listening to offers. I mean, if somebody came in and gave you...

2352.997 - 2360.802 Sam McDowell

You know, 24-year-old Ronald Acuna for Mizorowski? What if Mizorowski had already had Tommy John and he's having this kind of season?

2362.025 - 2365.757 Petro Siebel

I would be the first good offer I got, he'd be gone.

2367.577 - 2389.651 Sam McDowell

I'll applaud the consistency of it. I think part of where the Royals are is they anticipated they'd be a playoff team this year. And that's where they whiffed. Because if they are anticipating that they're going to be building for the long haul, there's no doubt that trading Cole Reagans was the better decision if that's the bucket they're in.

2389.672 - 2395.761 Petro Siebel

If the anticipation was we're a playoff team, but we can't be there without Cole Reagans, then you're not a playoff team.

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