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Sacrifice Now To Secure Your Financial Future

Mon, 26 May 2025

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Chapter 1: What should I do if I'm being quiet fired?

52.379 - 59.32 Unknown Caller

Thank you so much for both of you taking my call, and I'm sorry if I sound a little nervous. I'm

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61.878 - 87.197 Unknown Caller

fired from my job and i don't know um if i'm going to be able to find work and so i'm trying to figure out what my next steps could be what do you do right now i do i work for a home care agency and i do billing payroll scheduling and i hire okay i've been doing that for two years jack of all trades yeah but but but very administratively gifted i'm gathering

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88.83 - 93.745 Ken Coleman

Yes. You see details and checklists and you go through them like a lawnmower, right?

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94.528 - 95.308 Unknown Caller

I do.

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95.628 - 102.771 Ken Coleman

Okay. The reason I stopped and kind of focused on that is I want you to understand how valuable you are in the marketplace right now.

103.491 - 120.818 Ken Coleman

There are just always going to be companies, small businesses who need somebody like you who could wear a lot of different hats, as George pointed out, but you're just so valued because of your ability to come in and take details and what might be a bit of a mess and clean it up. Does that still feel right to you?

122.119 - 122.579 Unknown Caller

It does.

122.86 - 135.83 Ken Coleman

Okay, so that's the narrative. That's the mental language you need to be using for yourself as you begin to start looking aggressively. I'm assuming you're looking for other jobs right now, given that you feel you're being quiet-fired.

135.85 - 145.577 Unknown Caller

Yes, I've been looking for work, and then I've been looking at maybe starting something, but I don't know if I'm too old.

Chapter 2: How can I manage multiple lines of credit?

800.292 - 804.689 Unknown Caller

Uh, I'm not sure I completely understand. I don't think I have.

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805.009 - 825.276 George Kamel

Okay, so the credit report will show you every single line of credit, what is owed, who holds it. So that's going to be your homework. And go to this website, annualcreditreport.com, and you can pull your credit report from the bureaus. There's three of them. Okay, annualcreditreport.com? Yes, and never pay for this.

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825.577 - 843.883 George Kamel

It's free to do, and you can pull your report from all three bureaus, Experian, TransUnion, and Equifax. You'll see it right there on the site. So request the free reports. Once you get those, it'll give you a real clear picture of what is owed. And so it's going to show you the creditor name, the balance, the APR, the minimum monthly payment.

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844.323 - 865.818 George Kamel

And if you can't find any of this out on the credit report, contact – the creditor, to find out, hey, when is the due date? What is the minimum monthly payment? Make sure that everything lines up, the last four digits of the account. So you've got some administrative work to do, and then the real work begins of going, okay, we've got to clean this mess up. That's the bigger problem, right? Yes.

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865.958 - 872.263 George Kamel

What's the total debt amount, as far as you know? Excluding the mortgage.

873.704 - 874.925 Unknown Caller

Excluding the mortgage? Yes.

875.729 - 880.451 George Kamel

Okay, so that makes it a little easier. You can ballpark it. Is it $10,000? Is it $100,000?

880.491 - 881.511 Unknown Caller

It's around $50,000.

882.591 - 882.851 George Kamel

Okay.

Chapter 3: Is it appropriate to ask an employee about their finances?

1705.364 - 1709.447 George Kamel

Whether he has $500,000 in debt or nothing in debt, it doesn't reflect what you pay him.

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1709.507 - 1713.77 Ken Coleman

That's right. And so what I'm getting at is what's the max number that's not charitable?

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1715.811 - 1721.836 Unknown Caller

Max number that's not charitable, 85 to 90, like not much higher than that. That would be like the best of the best.

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1721.916 - 1727.286 Ken Coleman

Yeah, you can't justify a nickel beyond that, true or false? That's true. Well, then that's the number.

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1728.806 - 1748.773 Unknown Caller

Okay. Yeah, the other reason I guess I was justifying it was partially the debt, but then also partially like, well, look, we wouldn't have this business line. But I was telling him, dude, there has to be a balance. You can't just say, oh, well, you wouldn't have this business line if it wasn't for what I created. But it's like, well, you wouldn't have a business at all if we didn't step in.

1749.073 - 1754.555 Unknown Caller

And now his employees are getting way better ratings, better performance. Everything's improved. Everything has improved from A to Z.

1754.915 - 1774.95 Ken Coleman

Correct. So, Joe, that's why I'm jumping in here to say, if you pay him any more than the number you just gave us, and he doesn't make any changes at all, and there's a good chance that he won't make any changes, correct? Yeah, there's a good chance. That's what I'm worried about. Guess what happens? You become resentful. Yeah.

1775.33 - 1795.372 Ken Coleman

And then this whole thing just becomes a negative taste in your mouth, just a nasty taste. So... the max number that you've already, that's it. Don't go beyond that. Now, you can incentivize him. As the business grows. As the bottom line grows, so can his income. Yeah, but it is what it is, my friend. So don't go any more than that.

1795.432 - 1801.273 Ken Coleman

And for that reason, George, I'm going to come back to what you already said, and I wouldn't be digging in too much to this guy's stuff.

Chapter 4: How do I budget with my partner after moving in together?

Chapter 5: What should I do if I lost money from a 401(k) change?

Chapter 6: How can I create a financial plan for a secure future?

5.231 - 8.854 Unknown Caller

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13.579 - 38.376 Ken Coleman

This is the Ramsey Show, where America comes to have a conversation about their money, their profession, and their relationships. We're so excited to have you with us alongside the incomparable, the Natalie attire, George Camel. I'm Ken Coleman. The phone number to jump in today is 888-825-7000. 5-2-2-5-8-8-2-5-5-2-2-5. It's Friday, George, and you know. Welcome home. It's good to be back.

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38.416 - 40.416 George Kamel

You and the crew have been at Entree Leadership Summit.

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40.476 - 50.578 Ken Coleman

Entree Leadership Summit, our signature leadership event, always fun and just a joy. So let's get right to it, shall we? Alex is in Seattle, Washington. Alex, how can we help today?

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52.379 - 59.32 Unknown Caller

Thank you so much for both of you taking my call, and I'm sorry if I sound a little nervous. I'm

61.878 - 87.197 Unknown Caller

fired from my job and i don't know um if i'm going to be able to find work and so i'm trying to figure out what my next steps could be what do you do right now i do i work for a home care agency and i do billing payroll scheduling and i hire okay i've been doing that for two years jack of all trades yeah but but but very administratively gifted i'm gathering

88.83 - 93.745 Ken Coleman

Yes. You see details and checklists and you go through them like a lawnmower, right?

94.528 - 95.308 Unknown Caller

I do.

95.628 - 102.771 Ken Coleman

Okay. The reason I stopped and kind of focused on that is I want you to understand how valuable you are in the marketplace right now.

Chapter 7: What is the best way to utilize my savings for investments?

2916.197 - 2918.298 Ken Coleman

So what's her long-term income possibility?

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2919.218 - 2936.726 Unknown Caller

So probably at most, probably getting up to around $200,000. Yeah. How long have you guys been dating? We've been dating about three years. And you've never lived together? Well, she's been in school for the majority of that time, and we've actually been doing long distance for about two years of it.

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2937.366 - 2949.414 Unknown Caller

But any time she comes home, we are those staying together, so we sort of have a history of living together for a few months at a time, and it goes really well. Of course, we have those long-term plans together. How old are you, Jake?

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2949.434 - 2949.914 Ken Coleman

Very young, 25, 26 years old.

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2949.934 - 2950.114 Unknown Caller

Okay.

2954.932 - 2956.513 Ken Coleman

Are you thinking about marrying this girl?

2957.374 - 2959.475 Unknown Caller

Yeah, that's on the agenda for both of us.

2960.336 - 2961.577 Ken Coleman

Where is it on the agenda?

2961.757 - 2977.508 Unknown Caller

Give me a date. Five years down the road engagement, probably. Why five years? Hold on, another five years? Yeah. Probably something like that. Why? Maybe at least three at a minimum. What's up with the minimum? I'm calling in for financial advice, guys.

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