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Chapter 1: What is discussed at the start of this section?
Live from the headquarters of Ramsey Solutions, it's The Ramsey Show, where we help people build wealth. do work that they love, and create actual amazing relationships. I'm your host, Dave Ramsey. Jade Walsh, our Ramsey personality, is my co-host. Open phones for you to call in and talk about your life. We'll talk about you right in front of you. The phone number is 888-825-5225.
You jump in, and we'll talk. Tristan's going to start this hour in Indianapolis. Hi, Tristan. How are you?
I'm great. How are you, Dave?
better than I deserve. What's up?
Um, so I'm calling to get some advice on our situation. Um, I'm a stay at home mom. My husband's a full time nurse making 80,000 a year. Um, we have about 140,000 and um, just various debts, um, to get paid off our house. We have about 173,000 left on our house. If we were to sell, today in the market, we can make about $100,000.
I guess my question is, should we do that to pay off some of this debt?
You've got $140,000? How much was it in debt?
Yeah, about $140,000, and we have two cars.
Okay, how much of that? Give me your car breakdown.
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Chapter 2: Should we sell our house to pay off debt?
But anyway. You know, people have kept other people's children in their home for generations and paid for it. And so, yeah, that's something I would consider. And that's kind of becomes a no brainer. I don't know. But and this is not, you know, none of this is pleasant. But selling your home's not pleasant. Being in debt's not pleasant. You know, nothing here.
There's no pleasant on the table for the next two years. That's true. So let's just choose our pain, choose our hard and lean into it and go. At least there's an end to the one we're describing. And the end is, you know, you're going to call in here. You guys are going to bring the three kids on the show and we're going to do a debt free scream by God. You know, that's what we're going to do.
That's right.
We'll get fired up and wired up here. And that's that's what we want for you. And we'll help you. We're going to put you into Financial Peace University, our nine week program. And that'll also sign you up for every dollar of the budgeting app. and we'll show you how to do this stuff that people are doing all the time. They've been doing it for 30 years I've been teaching this stuff.
And be sure to tune into our student loan live stream. That's coming up on the 12th. I mean, you're a big portion of this debt is student loans, and you're not alone in that. There's so many people who are facing that, and that live stream is going to help them figure out how to budget, figure out what their payment is, figure out how to pay these things off for good.
so that they're no longer haunted by the ghost of education's past.
Yeah. And ruled by the, well, anyway, we'll deal with that later. Yeah. So hang on. We'll have Austin pick up, get you signed up for Financial Peace University and get you going in that because that's what you're going to have to do. Tristan, what we're describing, I understand. It's almost bizarre. It's so weird. But so is being free.
Being completely free of debt in America today is so weird that it's bizarre. So if you're going to have unusual results, unreasonable results, you're going to have to engage in unreasonable behaviors. And, you know, the lady sitting beside me did it for seven years. You know, Sam, you worked like 17 different things. I mean, and had little kids while you're doing it.
Well, the kids came after the fact.
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Chapter 3: What should I prioritize in paying off debt?
But I will say you have to embrace the things that no one else is willing to embrace. You have to do those things that people look at you and go, wow, they're weird.
Yeah.
Like they're crazy. They sold the furniture in their house. They're crazy.
Yeah, that's nuts. I mean, they just sold that. They haven't been on vacation in two years. Yeah. I don't know. How do you make it?
Yeah. They go to the restaurant and they just order water. They're just there for the social aspect. They're not there to... To go out to eat.
To eat. They're not there for food. That's right. At a restaurant. Yeah. That's weird.
That is weird. I'm happy to be weird, Dave. I like it.
Going out for drinks with my friends. More water.
Yes. I'll take the water, please.
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Chapter 4: How can I achieve financial stability?
You have a formula based on the poverty level that dictates the dollar amount per month that you are to pay. If it does not cover the interest being charged on your student loan, the interest does not accrue. However, 100%. So in other words, if the interest on your student loan is $50 a month and the formula says you only have to pay $30 a month, you don't have any extra interest added on.
They forgive the $20. But what they fail to mention is 100% of the $30 goes to interest. Consequently, what is happening to your student loan balance?
Here's what I wonder.
It's not moving. It's sitting there, doofus, sitting there like a frog on a log. My God, how dumb are you people in Washington? Let's sign up people, forgive a portion of their interest, allow them to pay a tiny little payment with the promise of debt forgiveness, which you always lie about up there. I mean, perpetually lie about up there. When are you people going to wake up?
Oh, my God, it's dumb. This is ridiculous.
It's ridiculous. And here's my thing. I'm like, OK, the interest, they say it's not going to accumulate or that it will be forgiven at the end of your term, which, by the way, the term starts if you let's say you have twelve thousand dollars, just twelve thousand dollars, Dave. OK. And student loans.
OK.
The forgiveness starts at 10 years of payments. So they want you to keep a $12,000 debt.
No, it's 20 years of payments. They're proposing to bring it back to 10. The proposal's not gone through. Right now, let me see here. Biden proposed canceling up to $20,000. Unlike one-time cancellation proposals, the same plan can benefit both current and future borrowers, which the new people that are getting their student loan debt can sign up for this return.
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Chapter 5: What are the key strategies for managing debt after a divorce?
No.
Wow, you just really overpaid.
You overpaid $10,000? Yes. Really?
Yes. I wasn't knowledgeable enough to know what I was getting myself into, and like I said, I just really needed a car.
Okay, let me stop you a second. Is the note still at the note lot? Yes. Okay, the payoff they're giving you is not the payoff. Okay. That's what's called, there's two ways to calculate a rip-off car loan. Okay, and this is a rip-off car loan, no doubt about it. Okay, subprime lending.
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Chapter 6: How can I effectively handle student loans during a financial transition?
One way they calculate it, you ask them, what's your loan balance? And the way they keep the loan balance on the books is called TOP, total of payments, which is a total of all your payments over the whole time, including the ridiculous butt interest rate that they're charging you. That is $20,000. Okay. You do not owe $20,000 on the car, though.
That's just if you pay every payment and add them all together. Interesting. Okay. That's a TOP calculation, and that's the account balance that is different than the payoff balance. Now, in a regular car loan, they're the same thing. Payoff and the account are the same thing. They just keep your account balance. Your principal balance is all they give you.
But on a rip-off loan, on a subprime loan, they'll put it on the books as a TOP. And what that does is it takes all your hope away and you feel stuck, which is why you called.
Chapter 7: What steps should I take to ensure financial stability post-divorce?
So the good news is the payoff on that car is, what's the interest rate, $17, $15?
I think it's like $23.
Yeah, okay, good. Wow. Okay, so that's even better news because that means that the $20 includes all that. Okay. So that tells me the payoff on this car is probably closer to 10.
Really?
Yeah. Yeah.
So if you just call them and say, I want to know.
So how bad's your credit?
It's pretty bad. Pretty bad.
Horrible.
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Chapter 8: How can I leverage my assets to achieve financial freedom?
High fours. Terrible.
Couldn't be any worse. Okay. Yeah. And so you're a single mom. What do you make?
I bring home probably like $3,100 a month.
What do you do?
I'm a retail supervisor.
How old are your babies?
My son is going to be 12 tomorrow, and my baby is 9 months.
Who watches the baby during the day?
They go between my mother and their father. Okay, good.
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