Chapter 1: What are the impacts of recent floods on new building projects?
It's The Real Estate Podcast, brought to you by Ray White, the largest real estate and property group in Australasia. And welcome to another episode of The Real Estate Podcast, available on iHeartRadio, also on Google and Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts from. Well, as we know, it's been devastating with flooding across two states when rain thunderously pelted down.
And I'm always impressed by the kindness, the determination and the spirits of the people that just rush in with that enormous cleanup. It's kind of like the Aussie way, isn't it? Just to roll up the sleeves and to get on with it. So to anyone, any volunteer, regardless of what you have done today, The community applauds you for the long hours and the bloody hard work.
So well done for all of that. And one of the flow-on effects the floods has caused is for people who are in the middle of a new build. And joining us this morning is an award-winning builder from Brisbane, Chris Munro.
Chapter 2: How are builders adapting to delays caused by flooding?
G'day, Chris. Welcome to the Real Estate Podcast. Thank you for having me. And the water bombs being dumped across Brisbane and the level of the water line has been scary to watch. They say one in 100 year event back in 2011. But with this global warming, I think that we've probably got to stop saying that. That's correct. It's pretty crazy what's going on.
Chapter 3: What specific trades are affected by the flooding crisis?
We didn't think this would be happening again. But yet again, here's this perfect storm with flooding. Now, you're a master builder. And as I mentioned, for people who are in the middle of a new build, the floods are going to throw completion dates in many cases right out the window, which can be extremely challenging for builders and owners to compromise on.
So how much of a concern is all of that from what you're seeing? Yeah, it's troublesome times ahead in regards to timelines.
Chapter 4: How will the flooding affect future building timelines?
We all know that the insurance companies are going to take away a lot of our finishing trades, and that's fair enough. But we just need to know then it's going to have a knock-on effect for us building, and we're not going to have those trades there at our hands at first sight. And so therefore, it's going to have a knock-on effect.
So where we were originally taking, you know, six to seven months, we may be taking now nine to nine, 10, 11 months, just trying to get those trades. So when you're talking about finishing trades, can you just explain who that relates to in terms of how they're going to be taken away from completing a new build?
So with finishing trades, we've got your plasterers, your painters, your electricians, your carpenters, cleaners, tilers. So anyone that's finishing the job off, they're going to be affected by these floods because they're going to have to go in and refinish effectively these houses that have been damaged. Okay, so we've talked about people that are right now in the middle of a new build.
What is the flood impact going to have on people that are about to start their new builds? I think we just need to, as a general public in the building, and that's why we're here today, is to tell people that it's going to take longer. We used to be able to build in six months. It's now going to take nine months to build a house.
And that's just we need to lay out timeframes for things going wrong and not be able to get there.
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Chapter 5: What does 'working in reverse' mean in the context of building?
people going to other jobs in the floods and being held up. So it just needs a little bit of flexibility across the whole industry. And Chris, I heard that your company, Munro Design Homes, was working in reverse to deliver a house because of the shortage of materials and labour. What does that working in reverse mean exactly?
With our critical trades, like a roofer or a frame, or even plumbers or certain trades you have lack of, We have to book them in first, and I think a roof was a great example of that. 2001, we had the hailstorms come out in Springfield, and we suddenly lost all our roofers.
So we had to book in roofing trades first, and therefore we would then book in our frame because we knew of a date from there. So you're communicating with your clients, ensuring that they're keeping up to date with supply times and deliveries. The floods, without doubt... would have cost some builders projects through no fault of their own.
It's a very emotive reaction from someone building a home. There's already this huge stress load in a new build.
Chapter 6: What challenges do builders face with supply and labor shortages?
So many things can go wrong. But in this case, the flooding has kind of supercharged, I guess, the tensions. So what's happening with other builders that you know with all of that in mind? Yeah, I think from other builders across the line, what we're seeing is, and we're getting information back from master builders and HIA, is that just to be communicating with our trades as much as possible.
We're constantly talking with our trades and being flexible that when a concreter, for example, gets held up because of a rainstorm that we've had or can't get to site, that we just need to allow times, slots. You might always have a trade, one day having finished a trade, the next day there'd be another trade.
But now we're having timelines where there's probably two days of the job sitting there just to make sure if something does go wrong, the job can keep flowing on and not having to rebook trades in. And you mentioned before that with the flooding, delivery times had already blown out from six months to nine months.
Where do you think this is going to be in, say, three or four months from now in terms of those blowout times? I think it's going to be the same. I mean, there's a material shortage and then we're going to have this already labour shortage increase. I think it'll stay steady.
Chapter 7: What advice should potential home builders consider during this crisis?
I think the majority of builders are seeing what's happening ahead and we're pre-planning. I think the biggest thing everyone can do is just communication and I think the good guys are doing that and we're just trying to let the general public what's going on as well. And I guess it's a little bit of a dangerous time too if builders are undercutting timeframes against another builder.
People might be engaged with a builder who says that they can save three or four months on a new build and people can be a little bit seduced by that when perhaps that's not likely to happen. So if you are building a new home, just make sure that you do the right due diligence because if That's really what it's all about at the end of the day, isn't it, Chris? Just really good due diligence.
That's right. Communicating with your builder, understanding that things might be out of his control. And we see a lot of times when people are about to move into a house, they're moving out of their rental straight away and we haven't got those timelines. Maybe just keeping the back of your mind, having some time up your sleeve.
It is the perfect storm and it's not easy having someone, you know, finishing a house off and then suddenly something goes wrong. So, yeah, just having a little bit more time leniency and leaving some things up your sleeve if you can. And how many houses have you got on the go at the moment which is directly affected as a result of the floods?
We've got eight homes on ground at the moment and probably another 12 we're working on behind the scenes. Yeah, it's hard and it just blow out times from the initial stage. Everything seems to be having an initial turn or an extra revolution just to get it moving. Councils are taking longer with backlogs. So the perfect storm just keeps getting worse and worse and better and perfect.
So in that regard, we are just taking that little bit longer throughout everything. And not just the build times, but the approval times are taking longer as well and the design process. Everything's just taking that extra step just to get there. Well, I think, Chris, what we might do is check in with you in a couple of months' time just to see where you're at. Yeah, I'd love that.
And hopefully, I think we've hit the peak, but hopefully we can just plateau off and just get on with a bit of a groove. I think we've all been through the tough times. We're ready just to get on with it. Yeah, getting into the groove, exactly. Well, Chris, thank you so much for coming on to The Real Estate Podcast.
I think that that really has sort of illuminated a problem as a result of the flooding and good luck moving forward. Thank you. Appreciate your time today. We connect you to the best real estate information across Australia, The Real Estate Podcast.
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