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Chapter 1: What are the challenges of watching the World Cup in different time zones?
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Hello, and welcome to this episode of The Rest Is Entertainment with me, Marina Hyde.
And me, Richard Osman. Hello, everyone. Hello, Marina.
Hello, Richard. How are you?
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Chapter 2: How is social media changing the way we consume sports content?
And I took my daughter, who everyone was incredibly nice to. It's her favourite thing. She wants to be the booker on Would I Lie To You? She really does.
Listen, I wouldn't put it past her.
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There is no filler.
And as you say, SRO, which is standing room only and there are various other audience places as well and it's always free to go and see a TV show. Sometimes Don't go. I wouldn't go to a sitcom because there's a lot of things. But things like panel shows is such a great free evening. I mean, you know, you've got to get there. But other than that, there's free tickets.
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It really is. What are we talking about this week?
We are talking about, there's a World Cup on, and we are going to be talking about the kind of, in the old days we just said TV event, but it's now a massive social media event. We're going to be talking about all of those things and how it's changing the way we consume sport and accelerating changes that are already happening.
Yeah. It's like the World Cup of crisps, but for football. Yeah. And we are also talking about Doctor Who. Been a big furore this week about whether it's been cancelled or not. We'll be telling you exactly what's happening with it. And I'll also be telling you who should be the next Doctor. I have, I think, the perfect next Doctor. Shall we talk about the World Cup? The World Cup.
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Chapter 3: What does it mean for Doctor Who to be put out to tender?
The timing of it, particularly for us in the UK, has meant that, you know, it's quite obvious, you try and sit down, you think, I want to watch the World Cup now, and you really can't watch any World Cup till very, very late.
Yeah, some games are like 8 or 9pm. But there's 11pm games, there's 2am games, there's 5am games, just because of the time difference. It is a very, very difficult World Cup for us to watch. What we really want, what we really love, is a World Cup where there's a game at 10 in the morning, there's a game at 2 in the afternoon, and then there's a game at 7. That's the perfect World Cup for us.
For me, I disagree. 2, 5, and 8.
2, 5. No, I like a 10 in the morning.
We have jobs, so it's hard.
No, absolutely. But the whole point of a World Cup is how do you fit your job in it? I want to walk through an office where everyone is pretending to work, but they've all got their computer on and they've got the BBC Sports app showing the game.
OK, but I mean, for everyone who's not in offices and different types of jobs, no, I think two, five and eight is the optimal World Cup times. Maybe we'll get some more of that next time around.
My favourite thing about going to America is always you can watch Premier League football at 10 in the morning.
Things are filling the gap because it's harder to watch in a way. So there are lots and lots of shows, podcasts, one very notable one because it's in our stable, the rest is football, are in New York and they've got a big place overlooking Times Square, a big apartment where I'm obsessed with things that are on the kitchen island.
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Chapter 4: Why is the cancellation of the Christmas special significant for Doctor Who?
You can switch on Netflix. And, of course, they don't have the goals. But, you know, like any of those podcasts, they're just chatting about the game. And that's interesting because you've seen some of them, you haven't seen some of them. And you can watch the goals on your phone. That's the point. I mean, there are places where you can watch the goals.
You don't need them to be sort of talking through it. So it weirdly works. We'll talk a little bit more about the whole thing. But I will talk later about what I think this means for Netflix because I think it has a real... I think the rest is football is going to have a real significance for Netflix.
OK, let's talk first about all of this kind of, I don't know what you'd call it, like ancillary stuff, everything that's on YouTube.
Let's call it Soccer AM.
Is it just about, is it all clips? Because there's so much stuff now. You see a clip, the holy grail of sort of going viral, creating noise. I always think of it as a slight interruption. There is an answer to it, but it's a sort of yes, but why? Yes, but why? Okay, is it successful if something goes viral? Yes, but why?
And actually, in the end, when you get down to the ultimate yes, but why of this, for all of these things, it is about discovery of your show, your podcast, or whatever you do, and it's about subscriber acquisition. So it turns a piece of a pretty cheap content into something that drives customer acquisition for whether you're doing some sort of...
And you get more sponsorship and better platform distribution.
It also, by the way, goes even deeper than that, which is for the individual people on those shows. It is good for their personal brand. And there are ways that they can monetize. They can just go, look, I had over 200 million views on this. Perhaps you want to book me for your conference.
Yeah, when Gary Lineker in the last Euros said England played shit, I mean, it's not even, it's something that any of us would have said to each other. But it was because it was different to how he was speaking on the BBC. It was a massive sort of viral moment. And it was very good for the rest is football. It drove a lot of sort of subscribers and it drove a lot of discovery and so on.
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Chapter 5: What are the implications of the BBC's cuts on Doctor Who's future?
You know, it is...
And also he's trying to tell Zlatan Ibrahimovic about football. Yeah. Which is interesting.
I can't. I mean, Lalaf I can strongly live without. He's hardcore MAGA. But what I think is interesting is that all of this, and particularly over here, as I've said, because of the timing, is it's all about these changing habits, which is that... Young people are not abandoning sport, but they just consume it totally differently now.
Full match viewing is becoming a much smaller part of whatever sports consumption is.
The matches weirdly feel like a slight interruption into the flow of banter. Content, yeah. Because you do think, oh my God, I've been really enjoying everything and now I've got to watch 90 minutes of this?
Yeah, well, I know, you know, people can't read a whole book anyway.
I think the same is happening to football. So do I. I really do. I think we're finding it almost impossible to sit through a whole match. And that used to be like the dream. You used to go, oh my God, the match is on and it's exciting. What's happening? What's happening?
And I've got an hour break and I have the next one and then an hour break and the next one. And that's...
But now it's like you watch the first 10 minutes just to look at the kits. And then you keep an eye on your phone just in case it goes to like three all or something. You think, oh, I've got to watch the last 15 minutes of that. But yeah, I think the football match is going the way of the book.
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Chapter 6: How does the production process work for Doctor Who now?
YouTube have got packages. They're trying to sort of attract other creators, all the broadcasters. as a forward-looking thing to say, it doesn't have to be this. It doesn't, you know, if we don't have the rights or whatever, we can still have something around this. As you say, the weapons industry.
The numbers for the games are still huge on terrestrial TV. And, you know, there's games getting three and a half, four and a half million. The Scotland match, like 1.7 million at two in the morning. You don't need to know much about TV to know that's quite a big audience at two in the morning. But if you think of the money they spent for it, for, you know, 3.5 million viewers, it's amazing.
It's great for a channel. But you could be in a loft in New York with a couple of cameras getting clips that go crazily viral with far more than 3 million people. And that's the business we're in now. You know, I would have thought the rights to live broadcasting sports, I think there's an interesting future for that. So do I. Because...
the noise around sport is becoming much more lucrative than the sport.
The attention is becoming bigger than the sport itself. I couldn't agree more. In that case, can I just get on to some of the sort of standard so-called controversies we've been seeing, like the BBC aren't going, they're doing it from Salford. I couldn't care less, by the way. It's not even a football country. So I'm sorry, I have to say that when I see... Or England. No, the US.
So when you see, by the way, this is no shade on ITV's set, which is obviously amazing. And they've got the Brooklyn Bridge in Manhattan in the background. But I don't think of, there's something about football countries.
So when Spain and Morocco have it, if they have, you know, Sagrada Familia in the background of Barcelona and you're looking at that, it's like, oh, that's football because Spain is a football country. But when I see the Manhattan skyline, whilst amazing, I don't immediately think of football. So I literally couldn't care whether they're there or not. I honestly couldn't.
I think it's a real object lesson in... The BBC are currently going through lots and lots and lots of cuts. They announced this week they might be losing 10% of the news division, for example. But they're trying to find lots of places to make... And this is a perfect one. You know what? It's great to have everyone out there because you get the vibe of the World Cup and it feels very special.
They don't need to be there. If you see, they've got three great presenters, Kelly Cates, Gabby Logan and Mark Chapman. They've got a great set, a great studio. They're following the match. They've got reporters out there. They're watching stuff on their phones just like we are. They are immersed in this tournament. And it has saved millions of lives. To not send everyone over there.
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Chapter 7: Who could be the next Doctor according to the hosts?
But, you know, so long as the commentators are in the stadium, Obviously. You just stick the presenters anywhere. Yeah. It's great. And it's like money completely saved and there is zero, literally zero difference to the coverage.
I couldn't agree more. Can we talk a little bit about how particularly sporting events really usher in innovations in the way things are filmed and what have you?
Are we going to talk about RefCam?
I hope so. You know I'm getting onto RefCam. That's where I'm going. By the way, you take everything from FIFA. That's just to explain to people where you get this stuff. The feed comes from them. The innovations are up to them. And they've got various different ones this time. They 3D scanned all the players so that they could help with decisions.
And also it means they can clone them in future.
Yes, exactly.
So we can have an intergalactic football league where they'd have to pay any players.
Some humans disagreeing with any of the things they do. But yeah, referee camp. I mean, they have this in rugby. They've managed to sort of put some AI stabilizer on it so it doesn't look like... horror movie fan.
It's not like Back Rooms.
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Chapter 8: What are the key themes in the discussion about Doctor Who's fandom?
She's fantastic.
So she's the American referee who they bring in if there's ever any controversial decisions, which there always are. And she's so no-nonsense. She was on the last World Cup as well. She was great on that. Very, very good. But, you know, that sort of thing, that's a joy to watch.
The cameras are very good. They've got lots more of the sort of spider cams. You can't have drone cameras so much in football, which they did, which were really good in the Winter Olympics. I thought the drone cameras were amazing, but you can't have that because I'll probably get taken out by.
Oh, yeah, by the ball.
Yeah. Or by one of the. Sorry. Again, America, we have no need to have military helicopters doing a fly past above a game. Just absolutely. We don't do that.
Honestly, I'd rather that's what American military helicopters were doing at the moment.
You're right. You're right.
Take some out of circulation, isn't it?
Well, you know what? I would love it if you got... Anyway, I'll be overtaken. This podcast will be overtaken by a deal in Iran.
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