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The Rest Is History

558. The Rolling Stones: Sex, Drugs and Rock ‘n’ Roll (Part 1)

20 Apr 2025

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What are the origins of Britain’s original bad boys, The Rolling Stones? Where did they all come from and how did they meet? What was it about the 1960s, with its air of sexual liberation, newly elected Labour government, and rising youth culture that allowed them to burst onto the musical scene? Who was Brian Jones, the band's troubled founder? And, what made the Rolling Stones, even from the earliest stages, so much more controversial than The Beatles? Join Dominic and Tom as they discuss the rise of one of history’s greatest, sexiest, and most suavely devilish bands, and the glaring light they shed upon the tumultuous 1960s. _______ Twitter: @TheRestHistory @holland_tom @dcsandbrook Producer: Theo Young-Smith Assistant Producer: Tabby Syrett + Aaliyah Akude Executive Producers: Jack Davenport + Tony Pastor Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0.149 - 15.604 Dominic Sandbrook

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18.51 - 46.882 Tom Holland

Did you know that our Sunday Times bestselling book, The Rest Is History Returns, is now out in paperback? From finding out who British history's biggest lad was to tracing the admittedly hazy ancient origins of Raiders of the Lost Ark, it's filled cover to cover with more curious historical moments than you can crack a lasso at, plus puzzles and a pub quiz. Music

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57.316 - 79.865 Tom Holland

Parents do not like the Rolling Stones. They do not want their sons to grow up like them. They do not want their daughters to marry them. Never have the middle-class virtues of neatness, obedience and punctuality been so conspicuously lacking as they are in the Rolling Stones. The Rolling Stones are not the people you build empires with.

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80.913 - 102.978 Tom Holland

they are not the people who always remember to wash their hands before lunch, parents feel cheated. Just when the Beatles had taught them that pop music was respectable, just when they were beginning to understand... What happens? Their children develop a passion beyond the comprehension of anybody for these five young men.

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102.998 - 126.311 Tom Holland

So that was Maureen Cleave writing in the London Evening Standard on the 14th of April, 1964. Maureen Cleave, very groovy, kind of Anna Wintour haircut. probably the most influential pop writer of the day, first national newspaper journalist to champion the Beatles. She would go on to do the infamous interview with John Lennon in which he boasted that the Beatles were bigger than Jesus.

126.771 - 138.213 Tom Holland

But Dominic, we're not here to talk about the Beatles, are we? We are here to talk about the Rolling Stones. And what was the headline to that particular article that I just quoted? Because it's quite a good headline, isn't it?

138.413 - 162.442 Dominic Sandbrook

Yes. Hello, everybody. The headline on that article was, but would you let your daughter marry? Marry one. And that was inspired by an article that had run a few weeks earlier in Melody Maker. Would you let your sister go with a rolling stone? And I think that captures, Tom, the stone's enduring image. So even today, I mean, they're in their 80s, aren't they? Mick Jagger and Keith Richards.

162.743 - 183.214 Dominic Sandbrook

I mean, amazing. Keith Richards is still around in his 80s. I know, amazing. But to people like our producer, Theo, who loves the Rolling Stones, they're still symbols of... kind of defiance of authority, of rebelliousness, sort of sexual excess. Everything that Theo embodies. Everything that we like our producers on The Rest Is History to embody, exactly.

183.794 - 206.764 Dominic Sandbrook

Now, some people, I guess, may be thinking The Rolling Stones and a history podcast, really. But I think there are two dimensions involved. in which they're really important. The first is obviously pop cultural. So I think it's the Stones, more than any other band since the 1960s, who came to define the look and the sound and the style of rock music. And I say rock music deliberately.

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