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The Rest Is History

Julius Caesar, with Mary Beard

23 Oct 2025

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0.031 - 13.348 Tom Holland

If you want more from the show, join the Rest Is History Club. And with Christmas coming, you can also gift a whole year of access to the history lover in your life. Just head to therestishistory.com and click gifts.

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20.315 - 39.201 Tom Holland

Hello everyone, it's Tom Holland here and I have teamed up with the great Mary Beard to bring you four episodes on what we together have decided are the four most iconic themes in ancient history. And today we're looking at Julius Caesar. Here's a short extract of that episode.

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42.016 - 67.776 Tom Holland

Hello everybody and welcome to the third of our special members bonus interviews with the great Mary Beard, national treasure, world's most famous classicist and presenter for her own podcast, Instant Classics. And Mary, today we move from Greece to Rome and we move to one particular figure. Clearly the most famous Roman of them all.

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67.936 - 90.238 Tom Holland

And it's actually, people will be watching this if they're getting it straight away in the middle of October. So hello, middle of October. But we're actually recording this on a day when, on The Rest is History, we have released an episode about the Eastern Front in the early months of 1914. And it's Russia led by a czar against Germany led by a Kaiser.

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90.718 - 97.288 Tom Holland

And it's amazing that just over a century ago, Europe was full of people who were named after Julius Caesar, who is the subject of today.

97.528 - 117.176 Mary Beard

Absolutely. I mean, Caesar has kind of branded his name onto modern politics. And we still do that in the UK. We have a, you know, a drug czar. Yes. You know. Caesar would be a bit surprised, I think, to discover the kind of slight domestication of Tsar.

117.296 - 129.634 Tom Holland

Well, it would be brilliant if, you know, there was the government held an inquiry into Latin in schools and they had a Caesar, a Caesar Tsar. Maybe one day it will happen.

129.614 - 156.088 Mary Beard

I mean, Caesar is very different from what we looked at Alexander the Great last time. And Caesar and Alexander the Great have often been compared. By Plutarch, the great biographer. Plutarch, when he's doing his series of lives of people of the past, writing the second century CE. And I mean, we tend to read these lives as singletons. I'm going to go and read Plutarch's life of Caesar.

156.429 - 179.497 Mary Beard

In fact, Plutarch... wrote them as pairs, so he was always pairing a Greek and a Roman, and then at the end comparing them. And those comparisons that he opts for are really interesting, but one of the most obvious ones is he's got Alexander the Great for his Greek half and Julius Caesar for his second half.

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