Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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Hello everyone, it's Tom Holland here and I have teamed up with the great Mary Beard to bring you four episodes on what we together have decided are the four most iconic themes in ancient history. And today we are looking at the Trojan War. Here's a short extract of that episode. Hello everybody and welcome to Leighton House in Kensington in London.
It's a gorgeous, beautiful, very grand house full of Arabic touches and classical touches. Gorgeous garden where we had an Athelstan party and we've come here because we need a sumptuous location for a an imperious guest.
And that guest is the most famous classicist in the world and a woman to whom I owe personally an enormous amount because she was the person who first read Rubicon, my first book on classical history in manuscript. So ever since, I've been incredibly grateful to her as well as being her biggest fan. And it is, of course, the great, the one and only Mary Beard.
Tom, thank you very much. I mean, Leighton House is my favourite place in London and it's great to talk to you. And you've just done what you always do. You always said when you introduced me, she was really kind to me back in the day before I'd written Rubicon.
You were Professor of Classics at Cambridge. You've written a lot of wonderful books aimed at the more popular market as well as all your academic studies. So you've written books on the Parthenon, The General Reader, Pompeii, The Caesars. And we're meeting here because we thought it would be fun, the two of us, to discuss
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Chapter 2: What iconic themes in ancient history are explored in this episode?
the four most iconic subjects in ancient history, classical history, let's say the history of Greece and Rome specifically. And we've kind of had to and fro and we've come up with four subjects, haven't we? And what did you decide we should do?
Well, we thought we had to do sort of two Greek, two Roman. Yeah. And how could you not do the Trojan War, you know, where it all begins?
And so that's what we're doing today.
We then thought, how could you not do Alexander the Great? A certain reservation on my part, it has to be said, but you persuaded me that we should do that. And then, and these do link in a way as I hope people listening will discover. Then we go from Alexander to Julius Caesar and then gladiators and with a special lookout for Spartacus of the movie.
All four of those kind of, they're very masculine, aren't they? And they're very much focused on people killing each other.
They are, and I think we thought that it would bring out some of our differences of opinion as well as things we hold in common. And I think also they're not just loads of men killing each other. They are that. Most of them, all of them, I think... they kind of occupy that funny, fuzzy boundary between what's myth and what's history.
And that is one of the things I think is most interesting to explore in ancient history. How do we know what's true or not? And does it matter if it's true? And some of the most important aspects of all these, some of the most important aspects are the mythical ones, whether or not they're strictly true. So we're kind of, it's going to be a great tightrope, actually.
Well, it always is when you're trying to kind of tell stories that people want to know what actually happened. But often it's the fact we don't know entirely what happened that is the real fascination.
And I know that you think I'm going to be a downer. You think I'm going to be a downer because you think Mary Beard, what's her trademark? Her trademark is scepticism. So we're going to have some great story and then I'm going to come in and say, none of it's true, you know. So I'm going to try and hold myself in a bit.
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