190. Is Trump Already Surrendering to Iran?

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Anthony Scaramucci 0:04
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Anthony Scaramucci 1:14
Hello and welcome to the Restless Politics US with me, Anthony Scaramucci.
Katty Kay 1:18
And me, Cathy Kay. Anthony, you're in Hong Kong.
Anthony Scaramucci 1:21
I'm moving around a little bit. I'm in Hong Kong today, heading back to New York. Actually here with Alistair, so we're having a little bit of fun together.
Katty Kay 1:30
Does the world look better from the other side of the world?
Anthony Scaramucci 1:33
I will say this about Hong Kong. They have very good infrastructure here, as you know. Yes, very. Fast trains and pretty nice highways. So some things about their government is functioning. We probably could learn some things there. I'm sure that both sides could learn things from each other. But let's talk about two sides right now, Katty. that seem to be talking over each other. There's escalating tensions with Iran. Looks like the US launched a strike over the weekend. They said it was a self-defensive strike. What do you think, Katia? We lost another plane to a country that has no military because we've decimated their military caddy, we've wiped out their Navy, we've wiped out their air defenses, but somehow we lost an American plane.
Anthony Scaramucci 2:21
So explain that to me, and then let's talk a little bit about this potential ceasefire.
Katty Kay 2:26
Yeah, this is a very odd form of ceasefire when actually the two sides seem to be hitting each other, but the Americans in particular desperate to say this is not a breach of the ceasefire. which in and of itself may be problematic, I think, for Donald Trump when it comes to negotiating because the message he's giving to the Iranians is, I really don't want to get back into fighting. So even if you fire at us and then we fire back at you, we're going to call it in self-defense and say that the ceasefire is still holding because I have no appetite for resuming a war, although it's hard to know what else you would call this. So we are in this strange situation where we're looking at an extension of the ceasefire.
Katty Kay 3:09
We're now two months, Anthony, by my reckoning, into a ceasefire that was actually only ever meant to last for two weeks, which again I think shows you just how much Donald Trump wants to keep extending this. Now we are talking about a deal about a deal, basically this memorandum of understanding that Apparently, the US and Iran may be reasonably close to agreeing to, but I think it would be wrong to suggest to our lovely listeners that this means that we are about to have a deal between the US and Iran because this is really just a deal to start negotiating about the deal. So we are still a way off. You and I were texting over the course of the weekend about what's really going on, what this deal really means, and what Donald Trump's motives really are.
Katty Kay 3:59
I thought your analysis was super interesting, so I want you to share that with people. I said to you over the weekend, I'm not sure it makes much difference. what the deal is, and that's for two reasons. One is that all of the Iran experts I've spoken to, people who actually really are in contact with people in Tehran, don't think the Iranians will stick to whatever they sign their name to. They're not confident that whatever they agree to on the nuclear front in particular, they will actually stick to.

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