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The Rest Is Science

Polymetalic Nodules Are Weird

13 May 2026

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Chapter 1: What strange story begins the discussion about polymetallic nodules?

1.297 - 13.238 Hannah Fry

Welcome to The Rest of Science. I'm Hannah Fry. And I'm Michael Stevens. And we're doing Field Notes today, which is where one of us brings a little object. My object starts with a story. Have you heard about that? That Howard Hughes, the eccentric billionaire?

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13.478 - 14.3 Michael Stevens

I've heard of him, yeah.

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14.42 - 29.42 Hannah Fry

You've heard of him? He comes up. You know, in the middle of the Cold War... He built this massive ship. Do you know this story? Like a ship that floated? A ship that floated. No, I knew more about his airplanes. Okay, it's called the Glomar Explorer. Oh.

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29.62 - 53.694 Hannah Fry

And he did this big announcement to the whole world and he said that he was going to go out on the ocean and he was going to mine these worthless looking black rocks at the bottom of the Pacific Ocean. For what? For iron? I mean... Nickel? Gold? For whatever. For whatever. Okay. Just about plausible enough to seem true. Yeah. It was actually this massive stunt that the CIA were doing.

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53.974 - 56.578 Hannah Fry

What he was actually doing... Do you know about this?

56.638 - 70.442 Michael Stevens

Wait, I remember this story vaguely. Let me guess. What he was actually doing was... No, I don't. He had nothing to do with it at all, really. He was just a cover. It wasn't his ship. The CIA was doing something.

70.582 - 84.628 Hannah Fry

Yes. The CIA wanted to steal a sunken Soviet submarine. For its technology?

Chapter 2: How did Howard Hughes' cover story relate to deep-sea mining?

84.608 - 105.971 Hannah Fry

But they needed this cover story and they were like, Howard Hughes and, you know, this whole like, oh yeah, rocks at the bottom of the ocean, lol. And it worked. It was this really great piece of theatre. This episode is brought to you by Cancer Research UK.

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106.311 - 126.613 Michael Stevens

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126.593 - 136.886 Hannah Fry

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137.146 - 156.229 Michael Stevens

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156.209 - 171.484 Hannah Fry

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174.94 - 177.222 Michael Stevens

Describe bottom of the ocean. Like, how deep?

177.242 - 197.304 Hannah Fry

Oh, I'm talking bottom. Bottom. Bottom of the ocean. That's cool. Okay. Now, I have to tell you first, before I hand this to you, this is now, I think, one of my prized possessions. But I feel very guilty because somebody, I don't know who, sent this to me as a gift to my Cambridge office. Okay. And they had a really lovely letter in there.

197.644 - 205.853 Hannah Fry

And there was a map from exactly where it was recovered from what part of the ocean. And... I can't find the letter anywhere. I can only find this.

206.113 - 208.936 Michael Stevens

Do you remember if it was the Atlantic or the Pacific? It was the Atlantic.

Chapter 3: What geological processes lead to the formation of polymetallic nodules?

1098.104 - 1120.311 Hannah Fry

Do you know? I do know. What's the answer? Yes. Oh, no. Yes, but it's not the worst thing that can happen. So it is true that giraffes do get hit more often because they are sort of poking out of the savannah quite a lot more, which is a little bit tragic. There are also actual documented cases of giraffes getting hit by direct strikes during heavy thunderstorms.

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1120.411 - 1120.551 Michael Stevens

Oh, no.

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1121.003 - 1138.502 Hannah Fry

Actually, I think that in 2020 there was an observational study, people out in South Africa watching what was going on, and two giraffes were killed by a single bolt. I think they were standing quite close to each other. So yes, it is more dangerous to be a giraffe, essentially. Makes sense.

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1138.522 - 1163.328 Hannah Fry

It is, but it's not the most dangerous thing when it comes to lightning, because actually a direct hit from lightning from the sky is the least common way that electricity can kill large animals. What is way more dangerous is because it's much more likely to hit the ground. And then you have this millions of volts of electricity that are rippling outwards through the soil. And here's the thing.

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1163.348 - 1181.21 Hannah Fry

If you're an animal who is on four legs, two of your legs are going to be further away from the site than the other two, which means that there is going to be a differential. Right. between those two points. This is called a step voltage. It's totally deadly for four-legged animals.

1183.594 - 1203.786 Hannah Fry

You could maybe get really lucky where you were standing in a way that was perfectly parallel with the rings as they emerged, But at any other angle, there's going to be this difference between your front and back legs. So current will pass through its body. Giraffes are more prone to this as well because obviously they're very big animals. Their front and back legs are really far apart.

1204.347 - 1225.596 Hannah Fry

But this ground current effect, it was this incredible morbid mystery that sometimes you would see news reports of, you know, in history more generally, you would see, I don't know, like... An entire herd of reindeer or like dozens of cows that are just instantly killed in a single storm. And it could just take out an entire herd at the same time.

1225.656 - 1246.236 Michael Stevens

And it was probably because lightning hit the ground. And then a difference in charge between their feet across space got them all. This little electrical bridge, basically, that their bodies were the shortest path between the two. So if I'm stuck in a field during a lightning storm, should I keep my feet together? Yeah.

1246.216 - 1246.897 Hannah Fry

Yes.

Chapter 4: Why are polymetallic nodules considered valuable for electric car batteries?

1665.871 - 1669.115 Hannah Fry

They kind of, they change around a little bit depending on who's asking, who's asking.

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1669.255 - 1679.546 Michael Stevens

I'm sure. But the top four, we got all of the top four. Okay, so the top four are French, Italian. Not French, actually, sorry. Oh, okay. What are the top four?

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1679.907 - 1708.066 Hannah Fry

Italian, British, Irish, Kiwi. Number one? Yeah. So my wife is right. Yeah. In a heavily debated 2019 poll by Big Seven Travel, it took first place out of 50 accents. They described the New Zealand accent as outrageously charming. allowing it to beat out South African accent and the Irish accent. I stand corrected.

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1708.086 - 1710.209 Michael Stevens

My wife is right. There you go. Yeah.

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1710.249 - 1710.889 Hannah Fry

There you go.

1710.929 - 1726.828 Michael Stevens

Your marriage can go on happily. I'm trying to do an impression of a New Zealand accent, but it's going to be so offensive and wrong. Go on, do it anyway. I just think it's like, this is my New Zealand accent. Oh, do you like a mirror? Is that good?

1727.348 - 1728.77 Hannah Fry

I'm not sure what you were saying.

1729.791 - 1749.456 Michael Stevens

Go on, then you... Like that. Go on the dick? Yeah. Oh, that sounds better. I don't know why I make it so high-pitched. I enjoyed it so much more that yours was high-pitched. Let me try, like, lower. Oh, come out on the dick, I'll beat your sweet ass. That was good. You know what?

1749.536 - 1750.657 Hannah Fry

That was straight out of New Zealand.

Chapter 5: What environmental concerns arise from mining the ocean floor?

1753.74 - 1770.69 Michael Stevens

How do they say hello? Hello, I'm from the South Island, eh? That was good. I felt like I was there. And the North Island is more like, hey, sweet ass. Oh, give me some Milo.

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1772.392 - 1776.658 Hannah Fry

Yeah, it is a wonder that you didn't choose acting as your career. Isn't it? It absolutely is.

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1777.68 - 1785.19 Michael Stevens

I think that if you've been offended today, let us know. You can email us at therestisscienceatgoalhanger.com.

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1785.322 - 1795.687 Hannah Fry

Send us in your questions, your ideas, things you want us to answer, and any medical advice for somebody who's consumed a small amount of polymetallic nodules.

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1796.088 - 1800.057 Michael Stevens

Deep sea lead. Yeah, nodules. Goodness me. See you next time.

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