Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
Welcome to the Ringer NFL show. I'm your host, Shiel Kapadia. Today, we got a couple big news items we got to get to. One is with the New York Jets and the dysfunction around the New York Jets. What is happening there with Aaron Glenn and his coaching staff? And does this team... have a long-term plan. We're going to talk about that.
And then the Eagles finally filling their offensive coordinator vacancy, hiring Sean Mannion, a bit of an unknown from the Green Bay Packers, their quarterback's coach. Is this a smart hire? Is this a hire that's going to blow up in their face? We'll talk about all that. My guest today is the Ringers' Deontay Lee.
Chapter 2: What dysfunction is currently affecting the New York Jets?
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I can't keep up with all the news, so we're going to get to some of the stuff that's been happening that we haven't talked about yet, Deontay, and let's Start with the New York Jets. I'm sorry, Jets fans. You're probably like, we don't need this attention right now. But there's some wild things going on with the New York Jets and their coaching staff.
So a lot of this is from my friend Zach Rosenblatt from The Athletic. Last Thursday, Deontay, multiple coaches who thought they were coming back were actually fired. So they were let go. They're sitting there through the cycle as all these other coaching staffs are being filled. They think they're safe with the Jets. All of a sudden, Aaron Glenn says, nope, we're not going to keep you guys.
So they do that. Offensive coordinator, He wants Tanner Engstrand, who is his past offensive coordinator, to stay on but not call plays. He wants to hire a veteran coach like Frank Reich or they reached out to John Gruden or somebody else. So he wants Engstrand to stay, but he doesn't want him to call plays. A devotion of sorts to which Engstrand says, thanks, but no thanks.
Mutual parting of ways.
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Chapter 3: What recent coaching changes have occurred within the Jets organization?
So you have that. And then on the defensive side of the ball, He needs a new defensive coordinator. He's talking to Wink Martindale, former defensive coordinator in the NFL. And then at Michigan, Martindale thinks, all right, cool. Go to go to the Jets. Work for Glenn. Has him in person. And Glenn tells him, yeah, we want you, but I'm going to call plays, which apparently Martindale doesn't.
Did not know. So instead, Mark says, no, thanks. And the Jets say, I'm going to hire Brian Duker from the Miami Dolphins. But Aaron Glenn is going to call plays. I saw you tweeting, Deontay, that this, I can't remember your exact words, so I won't put words in your mouth, but you are alarmed, it sounds like, by what's happening with the New York Jets.
I think, to paraphrase, it was something along the lines of in terms of the first 13 or so months on the job, it's hard to think of something going much worse than how it's been for Aaron Glenn. Some of this is taking bad bets, and I'm not going to pretend as though he had all of the options at his ready. And this was totally something that only for him, only him to blame, right?
You have to choose the quarterbacks that are available. He tries to make a bet on Justin Fields. Hey, get a guy in that's low cost, has started in the league before. That doesn't work out. The issue there is staying committed to a guy that is showing you that he wasn't the guy for as long as he did. So that was part of the problem there. And then you think about staffing, right?
You make a move mid-season with your defensive coordinator. You guys sell, but your defensive pieces, right? You send Sauce Gardner to Indianapolis. You send Quentin Williams to Dallas. And those were sensible moves in terms of setting up 2027 and beyond, right? I wouldn't even say for 2026, but really seven and beyond. But that means that you're getting worse, right?
The thing that is supposed to be his stamp, which is defense, isn't improving at all. There's no market improvements. If anything, I would say it looks even worse now than it did in the last year under Robert Sala and Jeff Ulbrich, right? When they were just trying to hold that thing together.
And then you get to this point where you're trying to demote your OC and now you ultimately have to part ways. You try to bring in a DC and then you're kind of undercutting him by saying, actually, my head coach is going to call the plays. Which means I got like Wink Martindale is never signing up for that gig. He's never signing up for that gig.
It's just all these things that are happening kind of in succession that make you ask, does Aaron Glenn, does this regime with he and Darren Moogie, like, do they actually have a firm grip of the wheel here? Or is this just more just Jets incompetence kind of infecting everybody in this process?
Okay, so here's my question because you just mentioned two aspects of the organization, coaching and front office. And my question, Deontay, is... Because they didn't fire Glenn. I thought midway through the season, I thought this might be one and done. That's been happening more in the NFL. I thought he might be gone. But then they trade Quinn and Williams. They trade Sauce Gardner.
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Chapter 4: How is Aaron Glenn's coaching performance being evaluated?
And I know people say that. We'll see if it actually is going to be a great draft or not. But they're keeping Aaron Glenn alive. It seems like they're letting him do whatever he wants with his coaching staff. He's got full autonomy. It seems like a train wreck from the outside, from the reporting. He looked completely overmatched last year as a head coach.
There are no signs this offseason that suggest that it's going to be a lot better. And so I'm wondering if the front office is going, yeah, he could hang out, do whatever he wants here. For the year, we can do whatever we want. We'll build through the draft. We're going to try to draft some good young players. We're going to avoid bad contracts with trades and free agency. He can try to win.
This staff can try to win. It's probably not going to matter because we all watched what it looked like last year. And then you know what? We can do a reset after next year. We'll fire Aaron Glenn after next year. We'll draft our quarterback next year and we'll try it over again with these young players. Is it possible that something like that is happening with the New York Jets?
I think you're giving me an optimistic case that I can buy, right? And I think that if you're laying this out, if you're really analyzing it, you would say, all right, Darren Moogie, Aaron Glenn hire together, right? Your timelines are linked. So if you're giving your GM a long road, you're going to give your head coach a long road in theory, right? Maybe, yeah, maybe. In theory, right?
That's very much a theoretical thing.
Brandon Bean and Sean McDermott would disagree.
They might disagree for sure. I think you look at the way that they traded away their most impactful defensive players in Quentin Williams and Sauce Gardner midseason. That would also suggest that everybody is aware that 2026 is about as low stakes a season as there could be for any franchise in the NFL. So you understand that as well.
I think the thing that's just been most concerning to me is kind of what we keep coming back to, which is, does this guy who is making decisions in Aaron Glenn know what he is doing? Does he have a clear idea of how he wants to build the infrastructure of his staff, how they practice, how they play, how they game plan, how they want to approach decision making in certain ways?
And I would say outside of how well they played on special teams, I don't think there was ever a single Sunday when I was going through power rankings and I had the Jets on TV I felt like, oh, okay, this game let me know what an Aaron Glenn coach team is supposed to look like. I don't think we ever really left a week of football feeling that way about this team on either side of the ball.
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