Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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Chapter 2: Why did the Ravens decide to fire John Harbaugh?
I'm Shiel Kapadia. Breaking news, big news in the NFL. Ravens fire John Harbaugh after an 18-year stint. We're going to talk about every aspect of this story. Was it the right move for the Ravens? Who will be the next guy to coach Lamar Jackson? And where does John Harbaugh end up? Does he get one of these head coach openings around the NFL?
To talk about it all, we've got my friend from the Ringer, Deontay Lee. Let's take a break. We come back. We talk John Harbaugh. The Ringer NFL show is presented by FanDuel.
Chapter 3: What factors contributed to John Harbaugh's dismissal?
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Chapter 4: What qualities should the next Ravens coach possess?
All right, we are back on the Ringer NFL show with my friend Deontay Lee. We got the breaking news. John Harbaugh out as the Ravens head coach. We're going to tackle everything. Was this the right move? Who should the Ravens hire? And where will John Harbaugh end up? But Deontay, I saw a tweet from yours right after the news broke and you said, had to happen, had to.
Chapter 5: What are the implications of Harbaugh's firing for Lamar Jackson?
So explain why you think the Ravens had to make this move.
I mean, things just kind of run their term, right? Like, I think that this is actually one of the few times, and there's been a lot of heat, right, on John Harbaugh, on Lamar Jackson, I would say really since the 2022 AFC Championship game. I think everybody has kind of been white-knuckling a little bit with this job, right?
And definitely the heat cranked up after you lose to the Bills last season, right? And then, you know, you go into this year, Lamar gets hurt, all of that. And it takes them so long to just get back to a place where they can compete. And I think I'm at the 2023, not AFC championship game, not 2022, where I just think that this thing at run is course, right?
Like if there was one thing that I, if there was one word I had to use to describe what we were watching in Baltimore, it just felt stale, right? It felt stale. It felt like, The same solutions not working for the same sets of problems over and over again. We are still looking at a team that has had issues with addressing offensive line.
We're looking at a team that still is struggling to utilize its wide receiver core. And its wide receiver core is probably just not developed at the rate that we would like to see. We're still seeing this team kind of wading in the water, trying to find a defensive identity after Mike McDonald. And you have these losses when you have these double digit leads.
And I think that the way the season opened in the first two weeks ended up telling the story for what ultimately undid John Harbaugh's tenure. Not a bad coach. I think that on the market, he will be a very big draw. But right now in Baltimore, I think that they just need to turn the page. And now you're, you know, it's one of those welcome to the real NFL moments.
Like you don't get to, you don't really get to keep a coach for two decades. The way that Baltimore has these days. Right. And with the $75 million cap hit at quarterback, that means now that this has to be built around the quarterback, trying to get you over the hump. And I don't know if that was happening to maximal effect in Baltimore for the last couple of years.
Yeah, I think two key things when I heard you describe that, because at first you're describing it and I'm going, John Harbaugh is not the GM. You're talking about O-line. You're talking about some of the other roster shortcomings. And that is not, this is a very, the way they're set up is Eric DaCosta is the GM. He loves the draft. He's talked about the draft.
He takes great pride in putting together a roster. And John Harbaugh, even though he's been there for 18 years, he is the coach, not the GM. So I think that's worth pointing out. But I think You nailed it. This isn't about John Harbaugh's a bad coach. John Harbaugh stinks.
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Chapter 6: What are the best landing spots for John Harbaugh after his Ravens tenure?
you know, against the Chiefs. Is that a coaching issue or is that a randomness issue? Mark Andrews dropping a two-point conversion. Is that a coaching issue or is that just like if football's weird sometimes? Tyler Loop missing that field goal. That's the very interesting part of this.
If he makes that field goal on Sunday night in a wild game against the Steelers, are we having this conversation? Maybe we are. Maybe the Ravens win.
It's not about this coach.
It might be the coach on the other side of this game. I mean, that's crazy, isn't it? You can be in a place for 18 years. and they missed field goal from 44 yards out could be the difference between whether you're moving on or not. So this isn't, I'm not going the route of, oh my God, he was wrong. Then you're in a place for 18 years. You don't win. I understand why the Ravens did this.
We'll see if they get a better coach or not. The last thing though, before we move on to that, Deontay, this report I saw from the athletics, Diana Rossini, I don't know if you saw this or not. This is a developing story as we record. She said a key pressure point
In the John Harbaugh dismissal, according to those familiar with today's discussions, was his refusal to entertain any conversations about potentially moving on from offensive coordinator Todd Munkin. And she says that Cliff Kingsbury, who got fired by the commanders in a wild day, is potentially a name to watch for the Ravens.
And my ears perked up when I heard that because I thought, man, I don't really feel like Todd Bunken was the issue with this football team. And so I do wonder just about a guy like Eric DaCosta feeling the pressure and other people feeling the pressure. We got to win a Super Bowl with Lamar Jackson. And do they have the answers or do they not have the answers?
Can they identify what the issues are or can they not identify what the issues are? What did you make of that report about Bunken?
I think it doesn't necessarily pass my smell test. I think that the framing on that feels off. I'm not saying that Diana Rossini's reporting is off. I'm saying the feeling on the wording of that feels off to me. What my read is, is that this was probably Eric DaCosta saying, hey, I have a guy for you to run our offense.
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