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The Rundown

Deep Dive: Was Tim Cook Actually Overrated?

25 Apr 2026

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Chapter 1: What significant changes did Tim Cook bring to Apple during his tenure?

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Welcome back to The Rundown for another weekend deep dive. Today, we are talking about an end of an era at Apple. Tim Cook just announced that he was stepping down as the CEO of Apple, effective September 1st, and John Ternes, Apple's longtime hardware engineering boss, is taking over.

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So in today's episode, we're gonna take a look back at Tim Cook's tenure at Apple, the challenges he's leaving behind, who John Ternes is and why he was chosen as the next CEO, and why I think that Tim Cook might have been a bit overrated. We got a great one for you today. Let's dive in. Tim Cook joined Apple back in 1998, back when Apple was still clawing its way back from near bankruptcy.

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Steve Jobs brought Tim Cook in to be the operations guy and help fix Apple's supply chain. See, Tim Cook was an industrial engineer by training. He also had an MBA from Duke and he started his career at IBM designing automated manufacturing lines. He quickly developed an expertise for supply chains. And you know, at the time Apple's manufacturing was a total mess.

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Apple was still making products in their own factories and warehouses that were bleeding money and acting as a drag on the business. So Tim Cook came in, he shut all that down and shifted Apple's entire manufacturing base to China. In the process, he built partnerships with companies like Foxconn and created this incredibly efficient just in time global supply chain

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Chapter 2: How did Tim Cook transform Apple's business model and financials?

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that churns out hundreds of millions of products a year. And this is what made Tim Cook invaluable to Steve Jobs. Steve Jobs was like a creative genius, but Tim Cook was the guy who made sure all those creative products like the iPod actually got manufactured and shipped to millions of people on time.

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So Tim Cook kept climbing the ranks at Apple, eventually becoming Apple's chief operating officer in 2005, two years before the iPhone. And then when Steve Jobs took his first medical leave in 2009 because of his battle with cancer, it was Tim Cook who stepped in as the interim CEO. Then in August of 2011, Steve Jobs officially stepped down as the CEO of Apple due to health reasons.

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And six weeks later, he passed away. And it was at that time that Tim Cook, who most people outside of Apple had never heard of, became CEO of Apple and was in charge of one of the most iconic companies in the world. And Tim Cook was inheriting Apple at a very interesting time. The iPhone had become a huge success.

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The company crossed $100 billion in revenue and over $350 billion in market cap, overtaking ExxonMobil to be the most valuable company in the world. So Tim Cook had big shoes to fill following Steve Jobs, and he had a lot of doubters. You know, Tim Cook wasn't known to be a visionary or showman like Steve Jobs.

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You know, he was this relatively quiet, folksy guy, and some people thought that Apple's best days were behind them and that Apple would slowly fade away. Well, 15 years and a few trillion dollars later, I'd say that Tim Cook proved all the doubters wrong.

Chapter 3: What major product failures occurred under Tim Cook's leadership?

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Let me hit you with some numbers about Apple's financial performance during Tim Cook's tenure as CEO. When Tim Cook took over as CEO in August of 2011, Apple was worth about $350 billion. Today, Apple's market cap is about $4 trillion. So the company's value has more than 10x in the past 15 years.

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Revenues at Apple went from $108 billion to over $416 billion, and profits also quadrupled to $112 billion. In the same time, Apple stock has gone up nearly 2000%. So that means if you invested $1,000 in Apple the day Tim Cook took over as CEO, it would be worth over $20,000 today. And Tim Cook did this by being an incredible business operator and changing Apple's business model over time.

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You know, most people see Apple as a product slash hardware company. But today, the services business are a big part of Apple's revenue and profits. See, Tim Cook figured out how to monetize this enormous base of iPhone users and get them to pay Apple every single month. Under his watch, Apple built out iCloud. They launched Apple Music, Apple TV, Apple Pay, Apple News, Apple Arcade, Apple Care.

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Subscription after subscription after subscription layered on top of the iPhone. Not to mention the app store itself also turned into a money printing machine where Apple takes up 30% of every transaction on the platform.

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Chapter 4: Why is Apple's current position in AI considered a concern?

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All of that is part of Apple's services division. And in 2025, services generated over $109 billion in revenue, accounting for over 26% of Apple's total revenue. 10 years ago, services was less than 10% of Apple's overall revenue. And the key thing to know about services is that it's a higher margin than selling physical hardware.

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In fact, today, services accounts for over 40% of Apple's gross margin. And I think the other important note here is that services grew 13% last year, while iPhone sales only grew by 4%. So Apple's growth and profits are coming from services. And that's in large part to Tim Cook.

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He basically transformed Apple from a hardware company that happens to sell software into a platform company that uses hardware to sell subscriptions. You know, once someone buys an iPhone, they're spending money on the iPhone to buy additional storage and apps and warranties, you name it.

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And look, beyond the services stuff, Tim Cook also oversaw some big hits when it comes to new hardware products. The Apple Watch launched in 2014, AirPods came out in 2016, and at its peak, the wearable business did over $40 billion in revenue a year. And I think the most underappreciated product that Apple has made under Tim Cook is Apple Silicon.

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See, Apple started making their own custom chips for the iPhone starting in 2010 with the iPhone 4. And then in 2020, Apple ditched Intel chips in their Mac and MacBooks and replaced them with Apple Silicon chips.

Chapter 5: Who is John Ternus and what is his significance for Apple's future?

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and these apple silicon chips were so much better than anything else on the market anyone using an m series macbook knows what i'm talking about like i remember getting an m1 macbook air it was incredible and today apple silicon are still by far the best chips in the industry so despite tim cook not being a hardware guy and a visionary he did oversee some pretty incredible products at apple so overall tim cook has been incredible for shareholders

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You know, under Tim Cook, Apple started paying dividends again in 2012. And then in 2013, Tim Cook started a share buyback program. And since that program started, Apple has spent over $800 billion buying back its own stock. I mean, think about that for a second. Apple has literally spent more money buying their own stock than most companies are worth today.

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And that's been an absolute gift to Apple shareholders. The share buybacks have reduced the share count at Apple so much that even when revenue growth slowed down, earnings per share kept climbing. And finally, I think the most underrated part of Tim Cook's legacy might be his role as a diplomat.

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See, running Apple means navigating two of the most complicated geopolitical relationships in the world, the US and China. Like I mentioned earlier, Tim Cook moved a significant amount of Apple's manufacturing to China. Even today, Apple manufactures most of its products in China, but sells them primarily to Americans. And Tim Cook has worked with both sides like a pro.

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He built relationships with powerful leaders in China, including Chinese President Xi Jinping.

Chapter 6: What challenges does John Ternus face as the new CEO of Apple?

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It's estimated that Apple's supply chain employs about 3 million people in China today. And look, China isn't just an important manufacturing hub for Apple, it's also Apple's second largest consumer market. Tim Cook expanded Apple's retail presence there to 50 stores across the country. And then here on the US side, Tim Cook has had to deal with Trump.

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When tariffs against China hit during Trump's first term in 2019, Tim Cook personally lobbied the president explaining how tariffs would jack up iPhone prices and help their competitors like Samsung. Days later, President Trump gave Apple an exemption from those 2019 tariffs. And then when the Liberation Day tariffs happened in 2025, Tim Cook made a visit to the Oval Office.

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He pledged $600 billion in US investments over four years. He gave Trump a gold plaque and he walked out with another tariff exemption. So Tim Cook's diplomacy and lobbying has saved Apple a ton of money. So yeah, basically any metric that you can think of, Tim Cook's tenure as CEO has been one of the most successful runs in corporate history.

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But look, there are some areas where Tim Cook stumbled, one of which could really come to impact Apple down the line. So let's talk about some of Tim Cook's failures. You know, for all of Tim Cook's success with the business side of Apple, there's been one criticism that has followed him his entire tenure. Where's the next big thing?

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Chapter 7: How did Tim Cook navigate geopolitical challenges for Apple?

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Steve Jobs gave the world the Mac, the iPod, the iPhone, and the iPod. Those are four entirely new product categories that each changed an industry. Tim Cook gave us, I guess, bigger iPhones, better iPhones, more expensive iPhones, but nothing that fundamentally changed how people interact with technology. And look, the Apple Watch and AirPods are massive hits.

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I use mine every day, but they're just accessories to the iPhone. To be fair, Tim Cook did try to take some big swings. They just didn't land. Back in 2014, Apple launched a secret project codenamed Titan to build its own electric autonomous vehicle. This was supposed to be Apple's next massive product category.

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They hired thousands of engineers, they poached talent from Tesla, and they threw an insane amount of money at it. I'm talking like $10 billion over the course of a decade. But then in early 2024, Apple quietly killed the entire project. So that's one of the product failures from Tim Cook. The other one is probably the Vision Pro.

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The Vision Pro was supposed to be Tim Cook's signature product, a spatial computing VR headset that would usher in a new era of technology.

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Chapter 8: Is Tim Cook overrated or underrated as a CEO based on his legacy?

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Apple spent years developing this technology billions of dollars, and they finally launched it in early 2024, and nobody bought it. First of all, this thing costs $3,500, making it 10 times more expensive than other VR headsets from Meta. On top of that, this thing was really heavy. And while the tech was really impressive, you know, I actually tried a demo at the Apple store, I was blown away

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it just never caught on. The reality is people don't want to strap an expensive, heavy piece of glass on their face all day. So I think it's safe to say the Apple Vision Pro has been a flop. What's interesting here is that according to reporting from Bloomberg, the new CEO of Apple, John Ternes, wasn't a big fan of the Vision Pro from the beginning.

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And remember, John Ternes is a hardware guy, so he might've seen this flop coming. But look, the failure of the car and the Vision Pro, as painful as they are, that's not the biggest problem that Tim Cook is leaving behind. The biggest problem for Apple right now is AI.

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See, while Apple was spending billions of dollars on a car that they never shipped or billions more on a headset that nobody bought, the rest of the tech industry was going all in on artificial intelligence. Google, Amazon, Microsoft, and Meta have all spent hundreds of billions of dollars on AI CapEx, building data centers and developing leading edge AI models.

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Not to mention there's also the newcomers like OpenAI and Anthropic also spending hundreds of billions of dollars. And as all that's happening over the last couple of years, Apple didn't do anything except for spend billions of dollars more on doing share buybacks. And while those buybacks are great for shareholders in the short term, it might come back to bite them in the long term.

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I guess Apple did launch Apple Intelligence in 2024. And while there was some initial hype around it, it ended up being absolutely terrible.

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None of the features were available at launch. And even today, I don't know a single person who uses Apple Intelligence for anything. Most people are using ChatGPT, Cloud, or Gemini.

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Beyond the Apple Intelligence flop, Apple also promised to make Siri smarter. Well, that continues to get delayed as well. You know, to me, the fact that Siri is so useless while people are using ChatGPT and Cloud to automate their lives, it's downright embarrassing for Apple. In fact, things got so bad at Apple that Apple's head of AI, John Gianandrea, low-key got fired last year.

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So yeah, right now Apple doesn't really have an AI strategy. They're just content sitting back and letting other companies spend all the money to build state-of-the-art AI models. It looks like Apple's plan is just to plug in one of the AI models being developed by these AI labs into their product. Apple recently signed a deal with Google that would embed Gemini into Apple's products.

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