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Finding Peak w/ Ryan Hanley

The $2.5M CEO Problem: Why Leaders Who Make Millions Create Employees Who Quit | Mita Mallick

23 Oct 2025

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Full Episode

0.031 - 11.025 Mita Mallick

Why do people micromanage? You're under pressure from your boss. You think you can do it faster. The number one job of leaders is to grow more leaders. If you're doing someone's job for them, they're not learning.

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19.935 - 22.539 Ryan Hanley

Mita, it's great to have you on the show today. Thanks so much for taking the time.

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22.959 - 25.262 Mita Mallick

Thanks for having me on. I'm excited for our conversation.

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25.36 - 29.529 Ryan Hanley

Yeah. And congratulations, USA Today bestseller. That's tremendous.

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29.77 - 36.063 Mita Mallick

Yes. Amazing. I was celebrating with mom. We've been celebrating all week. Yeah. Wonderful. Yes. Wonderful.

36.103 - 61.594 Ryan Hanley

Wonderful. Well, we are here to talk about your book in particular, because I think The topic is so incredibly timely. It's something that a lot of people deal with. And, you know, essentially there's a premise in there that I think is very intriguing to me, which is bad bosses are made. So I'm very interested in the idea of how are they made? Because I think a lot of people might just think,

62.114 - 82.321 Ryan Hanley

this guy's a dick, he's always been one, you know what I mean? Like that's the way he is, he was born that way, you know, whatever. But I don't think, and this is what really intrigued me about your work was, I don't think people think that they can be actually created, right? Like someone could be maybe a normal person and somehow become a bad boss because they're made into that.

82.341 - 83.683 Ryan Hanley

So maybe we can start there.

83.663 - 100.784 Mita Mallick

Sure. I believe we're all a product of our circumstances and experiences and backgrounds. And when I think about bad bosses not being born and being made, I think about three moments when bad boss behavior shows up. The first moment I think about is there's some stress on the environment and stress in the business.

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