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Chapter 1: What fundraising event is SDPN participating in?
Hey, everybody. Now, as you already know, I mean, maybe this is the first time you're hearing this, but it's unlikely that it is. SDPN is proud to once again be a part of the 5K fundraiser this June in support of the Get Real movement and Rainbow Railroad. We would love your support. And yesterday we did our video shoot for our 5K. We do it on the ice. And I just want to say this.
Justin, our social media guy, did the math. And it's 35 laps to do 5K around a hockey rink. That's so many laps. That's a lot of laps. So what do we do instead, Jesse Blake? We had a series of competitions where you can knock laps off of your 35, depending on what place in the competition you come in. So you're gonna have to watch the video to find out who won.
There are some surprise winners and surprise losers. Anyway, Steve won the being really soft and quiet competition.
You're not going to believe which one of us almost really hurt themselves.
We will have that video, I don't know, sometime next week, I guess. I don't know. I don't even know when that's coming out. But in the meantime, click the link in the description because that helps us fundraise. So if you can help us with that, that'd be great. Okay. Love you all. Let's start the show. Steve Dangle Podcast. With your hosts, Steve Dangle, Adam Wild, and Jesse Blake. Let's go!
Darren Radish, you are a Toronto Maple Leaf.
We're in a brave new world. We are. We're... Traits? Okay. No, here's the thing. It's not just traits. Kyle Dubas in particular loved a 5 o'clock news dump. Oh. Loved it, and I'm convinced he did it on purpose.
And I'm thrilled with this new administration for that reason alone. I think it's 100% Keith Pelley. Yeah? He's trying to make noise in the market, and I know he knows media very well by working under him in media. Yeah. Could it be his time at TSN and Sportsnet? Probably, definitely, maybe 100% doing this on purpose.
Yeah, I'm very much into it. I'm into it. We're recording at 10 a.m.
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Chapter 2: What are the details of Darren Radish's trade to the Leafs?
I think Dregs was on it saying that, you know, they coveted Darren Radish, but they got the sign in trade done. And I think that that's really interesting. Now, they have signed him to an eight-year deal worth $68 million. It's roughly $8.5 million a season. And that is a very interesting amount of money because, you know, people were speculating.
This is a guy, if he hit open market, was going to get over 10. And he had a breakout season with the Tampa Bay Lightning, obviously, last year, getting 70 points, 22 goals. And, you know, he did that on, you know, a Formidable regular season team specifically, you know, Kucherov had an unbelievable.
He had more points than all but three Tampa players. One of them won MVP. One of them was an American Olympian. One was a Canadian Olympian. So, yeah, it's a good list. Pretty stacked team.
Yeah. The funny thing to look is when you're looking at his stats and you see 22 goals last season and then you go to his career stats and he has 35 goals. Career high was six. Yeah. Heading into the unbelievable season. So this deal is not without its risks, but let's start with the good stuff. The good stuff is Darren Radish is going to be paid like a second line right shot defenseman.
By the way, yes, he does shoot right. He shoots right.
Best offensive defenseman right handed since Blake. I know my answer. Well, it was McCable lefty. Nope. Yes. Yes, he was.
It couldn't be Dion. Lefty. Oh, he was a lefty. Borea?
I think maybe.
Is Kenny Johnson a lefty? I don't know. My answer is Pavel Kubina. Oh, okay. That's how far back. That's a good one. That's still a good one. Still 20 years. So he's going to be paid because people are going to take this the wrong way. He's paid like a second line right-handed shot defenseman or a 1A. The actual number one guys, the guys who are truly number one on any team.
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Chapter 3: How does Darren Radish's performance compare to past Leafs defensemen?
And that's why Tampa gave him a shot. Now, one thing that people are pointing out, and I think they're right to point this out, Jesse and Steve, is that when Julian Breezewald moves on from a player, It doesn't want to pay a player. I think his the last offer to him was just over six million dollars. Does that give you a little bit of pause?
Because I you know, you don't have to be a Tampa Bay Lightning fan to realize that Julian Breeze was one of the best general managers in the league. Or do they have potentially had been back? They've got younger guys taking steps forward and they don't necessarily need to spend the kind of money the Leafs did.
It gives me some pause because the Boston Bruins are happy to just pull the pin on the grenade and go, here you go. Have fun. Like you look at, I'm so suspicious of the Bruins. You look at how Carlo's done, right? It's not just the return. Everyone focuses on the return. Let's focus on he has not been a good leaf, right? That's the key thing. What was Ottawa's Achilles heel this year?
D a goaltending, goaltending, goaltending. Yeah. Goaltending. Yeah. Injuries. So they took this Vesna nominated. I think Vesna winning goalie and they traded them in division. Have you lost your mind? Yeah. And Bruins are like, yeah, we're really stupid. Wink. And just yard sale the team season.
Basically, my answer would have been injuries for Ottawa. Yeah, but you're a bit of an apology. They did have a lot of injuries. They got down to their AHL defense core is what they had to play by the end of the season. And then Allmark turned around his season by the end of it. And he was not the reason they lost in the Carolina Hurricanes. No, I know.
This isn't a conversation to litigate the Ottawa Senator season. So I want to move past that. No, I think we should do that because... Jesse's just pandering to a new market. He's found his next pandering market. No, no. That's happening. The Habitat for Life. Let's go. Lane Hudson? Lane Hudson. Yeah.
Does Radish make more or less than Lane Hudson right now? I think he makes... Slightly less.
Slightly less. But people are making that comparison. I'm like, yo, Lane Hudson, first off, Lane Hudson should have never signed that contract, number one. Yeah. Number two, Lane Hudson was a restricted free agent.
Yeah. A little different. I mean... I don't have a justification for that. Like, damn good for them. But as for radish, like 8.5, if you told me last week, regardless of the team, uh, he signed with Darren radish is going to sign for $8.5 million as a free agent. I'd be like, damn, I hope the Leafs get them at $8.5 million. The numbers that were out there were terrifying. right?
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Chapter 4: What are the implications of Radish's contract for the Leafs' future?
Yeah. Every group chat I'm in is a buzz. Like, if the goal here was to cause a racket in the fan base, get us thinking. Get us talking a different way. Get us debating. It's working. That is a little bit of the game, isn't it? Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think it's a little bit of the game. Now...
Uh, one, one thing I wanted to briefly touch on, you mentioned your timeline is just full of lightning fans who are upset about this. There are some lightning fans that are mad because he was so great for them. He was very good.
I, uh, loved him in the Habs lightning series. Uh, let's talk a little bit about that because you, you got a real close up look at him in the playoffs. And that's what I want to focus on. Like, it's great that he did great in the regular season, but the playoffs have been the Achilles heel for the Toronto Maple Leafs. And if we want to get back and actually be successful, what happens?
He had a disappointing series in terms of offensive production. I think he only had a goal and an assist in those seven games, but he just kept firing the shot, and he wasn't the only Lightning player who couldn't bloody score on Dobish. And when some things went away for Tampa, like their power play, I thought most of their offensive problems ran through Nikita Kucherov.
Right.
Or rather didn't. And that was part of the reason I was like, man, Mike Matheson's actually really underrated because I thought he was stapled to him a lot. He's not going to take any crap. I don't know if he's a fighter. I don't know if he's a big hitter, but like he... He's a, he's a, the lightning have a bunch of guys who just aren't going to take shit. Right.
And they're going to get into a lot of scrums and they're just, they're going to stand up for themselves. Will radish take shit? No, he's not gonna. So he's kind of mean. Yeah. I need kind of mean.
Yeah. I don't need a dumb ass penalty mean.
Yes. That's all you need is like, if someone pushes you, are you going to push them back for God's sake? Yeah. Right. Which wasn't always a given on last year's Leafs roster. So he'll at least do that bomb of a shot like real old school in that regard.
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Chapter 5: What insights do the hosts share about the Leafs' pro scouting staff?
By the way.
Oh, the Leafs, you know, they keep throwing knives out there, but the price is so much and they're not doing it. Why does Doug Armstrong get away with this shit every two months with Robert Thomas?
How many times has Robert Thomas almost been traded for?
Robert Thomas, Jordan Cairo, Colton Pareko, Braden Shen for a year, and then he finally got traded. Jordan Bennington has been shot up, Doug. I'm so glad it's Steen finally taken over. He might actually move someone.
Doug's still there, though. He is still there. I got a couple of questions for you guys to ponder, unless you got something you want to bring up. Matthew Nyes, it's such a gift for the Leafs to also just get him where they got him in the draft. That 2021 draft, if you're redrafting it, there's a chance he goes second or third overall. Holy shit! What?
If we're talking top five in terms of just points... It goes Wyatt Johnston is number one. Crazy pick. By a little bit. Matty Beneers, Dylan Gunther, Mason McTavish, William Eklund, Matthew Nyes. He probably goes top 10. And then Owen Powers there, talking defenseman. I ranked it by points. Luke Hughes is in there. But Matthew Knives is a top 10 player easily.
Games played is a good way to... Cole Sillinger, J.J. Moser, Matty Beneers, Wyatt Johnson, Owen Power, McTavish, Kent Johnson, Eklund, Knives. I think he's clearly a top 10 player. Easily. And they got him in the middle of the second round.
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Chapter 6: What are the expectations for Darren Radish's performance with the Leafs?
That was 57 overall. It's amazing. Yeah, thank you, Wes Clark. That's a great draft pick, and you can't just trade him away for something that's not guaranteed to be as good as Matthew Nye's. If that deal's not there, you don't make that deal if you're Chica. So you can complain all you want, other GMs, but that's the bar for a Matthew Nye's trade.
Isn't the story Kyle Dubas wasn't sure? He's like, oh, I don't know. And Wes Clark was like, draft Matthew Nye's.
Well, he's a second round pick. You can't be sure. You know, there's such a crapshoot that when you luck out like this, I don't know. You can't squander it.
Yeah, he's their best non first round pick in a number of years.
What we're going to learn with this radish and the potential nice deals. The one thing I keep going back to is how good is the Leafs pro scouting staff really? Because this this comes down to them. This comes down, and I'm not talking about amateur scouts, right? Some people might not know this. There's the guys that scout for the draft, and then there's the guys that scout for the NHL.
Hey, there's hidden value here. You know who's got some of the best pro scouts in the league? Tampa, Vegas, Florida, Tampa. Those are the teams that that Carolina, I think, has got some great pro scouts. Speaking of Tampa and their pro scouting staff, Radish was fumbled twice. Let me finish this. Sure, sure, sure, sure.
OK, so if Radish turns out to be what do you what do you think is a successful season for him next season? Because I think I don't I don't expect 70. I expect 50.
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Chapter 7: How do the hosts evaluate the hiring of Jim Hiller?
I was going to say 40 plus points. I'd like double digit goals.
Jesse, what's a successful year for Radish for you with the Leafs? Like I would count Radish's success in terms of team performance. That too. So like I think Darren Radish could be a really good guy in the power play. But if it doesn't lead to wins for the Leafs, then it's kind of irrelevant. Yeah. Does he get outscored? Yeah. Yeah.
So I think though I judge the team success and like, hey, bring radish led to this. This result for the Leafs, I think, is what I look at. Pro scouting. Probably a better way to look at it. Pro scouting is to me, it's the most important department in the Toronto Maple Leafs right now. Yeah. Amateur scouting is great.
You know, they've got some picks in this draft, and obviously you got the first overall pick. That's so nice. That makes the job easier. Pro scouting, they are going to live or die. The Matthews era is going to live or die in Toronto in the next two years on that pro scouting staff. I hope they've got confidence in them because they're being put to the test.
Well, and think of how frustrating it must have been over the past year to be a pro scout for the Leafs. Between July and March. you're there doing nothing nothing you're scouting and it you're you're literally you're driving the games yep you're watching them you're filing a report and shredding it Because they're not doing anything with it because they didn't do anything.
They didn't make any trades. Oh, I know that guy was like, sir, sir. Thank goodness I got to you in time. Here's my scouting report on Sammy Blay. And it was the last thing that guy did. Caden Premo. Caden Premo and Troy Stetcher. And that was the last thing they did for like six months. Yeah. Yeah.
like just they're like claim troy stetcher like dude yeah i don't i don't want to throw the term scouting blue balls out there but i imagine they had it and like the first people to be knocking down john chica's door when he got here john john oh shit can you please listen to me can you please actually do stuff what's interesting about it jesse and steve is he hasn't changed any of them
Right, and he went through a full organizational thing, but we have not heard any pro scouting changes. Obviously, Judd Brackett coming in is one thing from Minnesota. That's a major addition. Yeah, the assistants have swapped out, but not the scouts, it sounds like. But the scouts are the scouts. So it feels like this team had an internal list anyway of guys that they like, which any team would.
And so it seems like John Che could trust it. So that's interesting. Yeah. And you also don't do that because your name's not Kevin Adams. And Kevin Adams famously walked into the Buffalo Sabres when he got hired and fired everybody and did not have enough people working for him who understood anything to do their jobs at the beginning of his tenure.
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Chapter 8: What are the implications of Mike Babcock's recent clearance by the NHL?
No, no, but I think they gutted the amateur scouting. It was probably the pro as well. Mm-hmm. They just were like, what if we just didn't spend money?
Also, can I just be honest? When you have a top five pick every year, you can probably draft pretty well. Yeah. I'm not giving the Sabres credit. Like, hey, we're first overall. Oh, man, we got Rasmus Dahlin. It's crazy that he's good. Benson was a good pick. Yeah, sure. No, listen, I'm not saying it's all bad. Kevin Adams is going to work again because of how good the Sabres have been this year.
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