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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
Hi, everyone, and welcome back to the Talk Trax. Today, you're going to meet Mary and Ryan. Ryan has autism, is non-speaking, and also has apraxia. Like many of the families featured on this show, it's been quite an adventure, and they realized that Ryan was telepathic long before the telepathy tapes came out.
Chapter 2: What challenges did Ryan face growing up with apraxia?
While in the studio, Ryan and his mom requested to do some telepathy tests, so we did film some, and those will be posted on the Telepathy Tapes YouTube page as well as on our Supercast.
Before filming this episode, we sent Ryan a lot of questions from our listeners, and he answered many of those questions over the course of a few weeks, and he'll be sharing those answers with us today in the studio. He's in and out because he found our couch in the front room to be very comfortable. So without further ado, we welcome Ryan and Mary to the studio. Hi, everyone.
I'm Kai Dickens, and I'm thrilled to welcome you to The Talk Trax. In this series, we'll dive deeper into the revelations, challenges, and unexpected truths from the telepathy tapes. We'll feature conversations with groundbreaking researchers, thinkers, non-speakers, and experiencers who illuminate the extraordinary connections that may defy explanation today, but won't for long.
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I raised them in Sebastopol on a farm. They ate off the gardens, drank raw goat milk. So we lived out on a farm. Ryan was my oldest. He's 27 now. He has two little sisters, 22 and about to be 22 and 24 in college. When Ryan was diagnosed, I just was one of those parents who dropped everything on the planet and just was on a mission to try to help him out.
And it was scary back then because they would be like, if you can keep them engaged every waking second, they might be cured by the time they're five. So I would be like feeling guilty if I stopped to brush my teeth almost. But then we chased around all the biomedical and all the options trying to help him. And Nothing really worked out that well.
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Chapter 3: How did Ryan's mother support his journey to communication?
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Or no, like a half an hour every day and did our spelling lessons. And he went through all the procedures until he got to open. And it was the biggest miracle a mother could ever dream. I mean... I got to know him at 23 years old. And, you know, you think, well, you know your kid. Yeah, I did. I knew his heart. But I really didn't know him.
What were some of the things that he started saying or spelling about when he was open? One of the first few things he told me was that he had a deep relationship with God. I didn't know that. I knew he liked to go to church, but I thought maybe he just liked the ritual of it. You know, the consistency of it. He has a deep relationship with God.
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Chapter 4: What is apraxia and how does it affect communication?
And he was like, I don't want to do this. And I was like, it's already been decided we're doing this. And he was saying, I don't want to do this. Yeah, he was like, I don't want to do this. And I was like, there's no getting out. We're doing this. And the message I got was he was going to get lost. Right.
And so I woke up from it and I'm just sitting there and I'm like, what was that intense love? I've never felt that kind of love. And all of a sudden it hit me. I was nine or eight. I was like, oh, my God, I just felt mother love. Like I felt the love of a mother. Right. And he knows about the dream. He has talked to me about it. But anyway, even... What has he said about it?
He wrote a poem about my dream and then said the gentle... cloak covered beans. And I'm like, I never told you that detail. And so I asked him and he's like, yeah, like he was like, yes, I do remember that visitation. And it helped me. It really helped me because I knew that there was some inevitability to this that we had.
It was like a soul pact that we had made that we were going to walk through this journey together. And when did you first maybe share the story about the fire? Like when did you first know that maybe he's able to tap in Oh, I knew way before that. Okay. So what were the first signs that maybe he had a much more expansive awareness than you did? Oh, okay. Well, I mean, I always sort of knew.
Like when I was 40, I had an unplanned and very welcome pregnancy. And I was, you know, tiny back then. And maybe when I was just a few weeks pregnant, he just kept rubbing my tummy and saying, baby, baby. And I'm like, oh, don't be silly, Ryan. And then sure enough, I found out like a month later that I was having my daughter. And so little things like that. Or I couldn't hide anything from him.
So we would joke that he was psychic. But when I started spelling with him, after every spelling session, I would go down back home to the driveway and talk to my husband and be like, I don't know what's going on. He's reading, we're reading each other's mind. He's reading my mind and I'm reading his mind. And that's not to say that the spell, it's not with the spell.
I mean, he spells stuff I've never even dreamt of, you know, but something was happening where I could, a whole sentence would pop in my head and then he would spell it or, you know, and it wasn't from me. Like, so I just started noticing this, this. That's why I was so blown away when telepathy tapes came out.
I mean, I just sat in my room and just listened to all of it because I was like, this is exactly what we're living. I didn't know about all the other stuff. Had you heard anyone else say that? Oh, everyone.
And then what would happen was like, you know, the speller web pages, you know, like a new parent would come on and be like, hey, I'm pretty sure like my kid's reading my mind or I'm reading his mind or, you know, and then a million new parents would be like, same, same. And then the moderator would come on and be like, listen, we don't talk about this
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Chapter 5: What was the turning point in Ryan's ability to communicate?
But I just didn't say anything. So they left and went off to finish their day at the college. And we put in a new power strip. And I got the notes back from the group spelling at the college that day. And the first sentence was Ryan spelling to his friends, hey, guys, I saved my bungalow today. My grandma came to me and told me to get home right away.
And when I got there, the bungalow was starting on fire. And so that made me so happy because my mom had died fairly recently and me, her and Ryan were extremely close and just made me feel so good to know that she was around. It's such a beautiful story because this has come up a few times, right, where I think there's that question of. Is there psychic ability? Is there telepathy?
Or is there help from ancestors and loved ones? I think it's probably a mix of everything from what I'm gathering. Yeah. Well, what he told me, because I did ask him about that. And he said, I feel souls all the time. I feel them. Because I said, do people from the dead communicate with you? And he said, yes. And I said, do you see them? He said, no, I more just feel them.
He said, but with grandma, she whispers to me. And I said, what does she whisper to you? And he said, oh, and then he said, and she sings me songs of perpetual devotion. So so so grandma's. What a sweet. I know. What a sweet assurance for you. Oh, I'm so you know, this has been the huge gift to me as I was a little neurotic worry wart before all this.
Now I'm like, I'm not afraid to go to the other side. I know all our loved ones are around us. I just feel so much more at peace having the whole big picture make make better sense. Yeah. We got a question from a mother who has a newly spelling son come in, I think, just yesterday.
And we get this question a lot where she said, my son will spell just fine with the CRP or the SLP or whoever is working, the associate. But she's having a very hard time spelling with her son herself. And could you just talk to that mother? Like, is that common? Why do you think it happens? Do you have any advice? Okay. So, so common.
And so I'll just spit out all the things that I know about it. And it's happened with me. I mean, Ryan and I were fluent. We were two little peas in a pod. And then once I start getting other CRPs for him and other spellers, he stopped. There was a point where he stopped really spelling robustly with me. And... So there's a whole bunch of things going on. One is, first of all, there's apraxia.
And I call apraxia like opposite world. The more you want something, the more that apraxic body is going to come in and try to sabotage you. And so one thing Ryan had told me, and I think we need to know about all of our kids, Don't believe for a minute that they don't want to spell with you. They want to spell with you more than anybody in the world.
So one, they could have gotten into a loop where they just pushed you away. One time, Ryan wasn't spelling with me. I mean, for a period of time. And so we went to one of the practitioners who he spells extremely eloquently open with. And I asked... You know, how can I help? What am I doing wrong? Like, why aren't we spelling anymore? And he was sweet because he hates to hurt my feelings.
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Chapter 6: How did Ryan's spelling method change his life?
And then recently, I really went deeper. I just went deeper with my versions of spirituality, the things that I do for my own peace and spirituality. I did a lot of meditation, hypnotherapy, and I was feeling it. Like, okay, I was really moving into a calmer place. And I went to spell with him, and he started spelling with me. And he spelled, Mom, you just keep getting calmer and calmer.
So the point of this is it's not like take a few deep breaths. They are feeling your higher self. They need your higher self to be calm. And one way to stay calm, which is kind of ironic for autism parents who are suffering from years of PTSD, right? I'm like, oh, this is the ultimate ironic joke that now I have to be completely calm to talk to my son, like on a deep, deep, deep level. So...
It's still a work in progress. And another thing I did is I finally said, you know what? We're going back to a practitioner together. We're starting at ground zero. So we went back to the practitioner and started at ground zero and we moved up very quickly. And then from there, I'm going to generalize it back out of the office. And so it's happening.
It's still not like it was when it was just him and I. But anyway, it's very common. Those are the things to watch out for is the parent has to really, really do their work to be a true co-regulator. Second, we have so many expectations for our kids. The practitioners are just much calmer, obviously.
So all our parent overdrive and the wanting open, wanting open, like a big thing is to let go of wanting open. Like you just have to take each session for just exactly what it's going to be because they, you know, apraxia can smell expectations, like just no expectations. We're just here together in this moment.
And so those are the things is to not work towards open and it will come like it will just naturally come. Nobody's not become open really unless somebody's given up. And there's a spelling coach in Atlanta, Austin and We follow him in the telepathy tapes. Someone's coming out and he always says, if you follow the recipe, it will work. You just have to stick with it.
And every parent's fear, like I was, I would go back to the practitioner before he was open and be like, have you ever had anyone who didn't get open? Is he not going to get open? I think that's a lot of people's fear. And they all get open if you keep at it. Yeah.
um different timing but it's so it's just such a dance of being in the right vibration and parents are much more we're all hoverers we've been to hell and back with our kids oh the other thing i told him i will never give up you can say you don't want to spell with me a million times i'm never giving up and that's good for them to know too because a lot of it can be the apraxia and the loop just pushing yeah
And the fear, like his fear, it sounds like it was really traumatic when he thought he was going to go be educated at nine. And that school put him in the same life skills class. Right. So the fear that like people will give up on me again. Right. They'll give up on me again. Right. So that's a big message I give. Yeah. Is that I'm never giving up.
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