The Tucker Carlson Show
Bob Amsterdam: How USAID Is Helping Zelensky Destroy Christianity With Fake Churches and Violence
19 Feb 2025
Donald Trump just called Zelensky a dictator. Human rights lawyer Bob Amsterdam has worked in Ukraine for the past couple of years and confirms that if anything, that’s an understatement. (00:00) The Situation Is Dire (03:28) Bob Amsterdam’s Fight to Defend the Orthodox Church From Zelensky (06:45) USAID’s Fake Church Operation (19:14) Mike Pompeo’s Involvement (28:16) Why Is the US Bending the Knee to Ukraine? (33:00) The Push for Sanctions (48:00) China’s Role in Undermining the US Paid partnerships with: Hallow prayer app: Get 3 months free at https://Hallow.com/Tucker Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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So thank you for doing this. You're one of the few people who, at the end of our last conversation, I thought, I want to talk to that man again, because you're one of the few people I know who has a real sense of what it's like in Ukraine and has been for the last three years since the war began. How would you summarize the situation in Ukraine right now?
Dire. Situation is dire. Zelensky is wildly unpopular. There are press gangs to take people to the front. People are without hope. And the casualties are enormous. And the corruption is enormous. And imagine sending your child to the front knowing all of this.
As you know, I represent the Ukrainian Orthodox Church, so our parishioners go to the front while their churches are being stolen back home, while parishioners, elderly parishioners and priests are being beaten. And, you know, what I've always said to people who defend Zelensky is, You know, all his numbers are complete fabrications.
If he was popular, if he was trusted, he wouldn't have destroyed the press. He wouldn't be jailing and labeling with treason charges political opponents. There would have been some control on the corruption. I mean, the courts are impossible. It's a police state. The SBU, the secret police, run and intimidate everyone and everything. And yet the Western press has blockaded this story.
The dishonesty of some of the people that are reporting from Ukraine is... is astounding. I've never seen anything like it. I've been involved with cases involving wars and disputes, but the absolute lying and the games that our papers are playing. The Wall Street Journal, for instance, barely has an op-ed that doesn't laud Zelensky.
You never get reality about what's actually going on in the presidential administration. You get no coverage. You know, there's a law, 3894, to destroy the Ukrainian Orthodox Church. No law has been passed like this in Europe since World War II against the Jews. There's no coverage. The argument when I say to the press, how can you do this?
How can you not cover people talking about religious cleansing who are members of the Ukrainian parliament? How can you not cover it? They say, well, this church is somehow a Russian thing. We, you know, as I've told you, we have reached a point where this narrative, the Zelensky narrative has been accepted and our people simply don't challenge it. They fall to it.
And it's really been down to the new administration to put a pin in that balloon. Yeah.
It's kind of hard to skip over you and your role in all this. You're the only American attorney who's worked in Ukraine who I have seen who's telling the truth about what's actually happening there. And for doing that, you've been called a Russian stooge, a Putin worshiper. Your character has been impugned.
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