The Tucker Carlson Show
Matt Walsh Responds to Demands to Disavow His Allies, and How to Resolve the Right-Wing Civil War
12 Dec 2025
Chapter 1: Is there a civil war breaking out on the right?
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I don't check into social media that much, but whenever I do, I'm like, Matt Walsh is an amazing man. Glad you feel that way anyway.
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Chapter 2: Why doesn't Matt Walsh care about Israel?
No, I mean, the reason I want to talk to you is there's a lot that I admire about how you've handled this just as a man. Leaving aside our opinions, which I don't even know if they are probably different in some ways, same in other ways, but it's not even about that. you know everybody involved personally or most of them involved in all these dramas on the right.
And I think the way that you've handled it is just so impressive. So thank you for that. But first, what is going on? There is a civil war, probably not too strong on the right within the Trump coalition. What is it?
Yeah, I mean, this has been, it's been a really awful, I think, for everybody. And a lot of this drama obviously goes back, goes back a long way. But I think after Charlie was killed, it's created this kind of this vacuum. And it's a leadership vacuum because Charlie was, I think, the best leader we had on the right.
And the tragic reality is that a lot of the stuff that we said right after he was killed turned out not to be true. Stuff that even I said, like, well, you killed Charlie, but you made a million more, right? You killed one Charlie, but now we have a million more Charlies. And I think we said that because we wanted that to be true.
And for a brief amount of time, it felt that way because it felt like everybody was sort of unified and we were coming together and going to the memorial and everybody was there. And it felt like almost this revival, even this religious revival and all these things. But then I think quickly reality sets in. And what we have realized and what we've seen is that you kill Charlie and
And now Charlie's gone. That's the thing. When you kill someone, they're gone, at least in this life. And so, no, we didn't go from one Charlie to a million Charlies. We went from one Charlie to zero Charlies. And that's just, that's what happens. That's why assassinations happen. That's why people do them. There's a reason. Because they work. Because it works. Yeah, because they work.
And that's been the greatest tragedy about all this. I mean, aside from the human tragedy that an actual human being lost his life and his wife doesn't have a husband, his kids don't have a father. I mean, that's the great tragedy, the human tragedy.
But on a kind of national scale, the tragedy is that the strategy of assassination has been proven effective again, as it has all throughout human history. And so now this guy who was this, I think to an extent that none of us fully realized was the glue that was holding everything together on the right, holding this whole crazy coalition together. It turns out it was like one guy
who was doing this and his organization, which is still around, who had a lot of respect for TPUSA. And I think they're doing the absolute best they can in the face of this. I mean, I have no, I can't even imagine being in the spot that they're in. But he was the leader of the organization. He was a leader of the conservative movement. He was the glue.
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Chapter 3: Why does Matt Walsh refuse to publicly denounce anyone?
It's really not even two sides. I don't know how many. It's fractured to a million pieces, it feels like. And so you've got the people on all the different sides of the different disputes who are shouting at me that, well, I need to denounce so-and-so. I need to disavow this person. I need to come out and say that I, not just that I disagree, because it's one that we'd have disagreements.
But the pressure is beyond that. The pressure is, they'll just disagree, but disavow, denounce, condemn. And my answer has been, and not everybody respects it. You don't have to respect it. But my answer is, no, I'm not going to do that. And I'm not going to denounce a friend. I'm not ever, I'm not ever going to do it like ever, because to me, loyalty is a principle.
Loyalty is a, so when people say, well, do you need to stand on your principles and come out and say this or that? Well, loyalty is a principle in my mind. It's one of the most important principles for any person for, for a man, especially.
And I think that, you know, people, if you're not, if you're not in the middle of it and you're kind of on the outside, there are a lot of things that go on behind the scenes that you don't know about. Um, and so when I say that somebody is a friend and I feel personal loyalty to them, that doesn't just mean that, Oh, I kind of like that person.
But for me anyway, what that means is this is someone who I know personally who I can call on the phone, who I can share a meal with. I've shared a meal with. And very often this is someone who has, uh, had my back and supported me in ways that you might not see. Not in like a, they've paid me off, but just in a friend way. Like, I've got your back. I'm going to support you. I'll defend you.
Hey, everyone's attacking you for this or that reason. And I got your back, right? And so there are a lot of people who've done that for me. And once you do that for me, then I feel duty bound that I cannot turn around, I will not turn around and stab you in the back or condemn you. You have my back, I'll have yours.
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Chapter 4: What defines leftism according to Matt Walsh?
That's the idea.
Okay, that's the principle you said. You said it's more than an idea, it's more than an emotional response, it's a principle, and you said it's especially important for men. And I just agree with you so strongly when you say that, but I haven't taken the time to think through why it's so important to me. Can you explain why that's a principle and why it's especially important for men?
Well, I think it's about integrity. It's a matter of personal integrity. It's also a matter of having a spine. I mean, if... If you denounce someone because, especially, again, a friend, because you've got a million people screaming in your face and telling you to do it, well, how can that possibly be a principled stand? You're doing it to get people to stop yelling at you.
That's why you're doing it. And actually, even if they're not your friend, if people are yelling at you, if you do anything because people are yelling at you to do it, then that's wrong. It's the wrong reason to do something. It's the wrong reason even to do the right thing, really. But with a friend, it's the wrong thing. There's also just this basic principle of...
you know, do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
And there's something uniquely repulsive about betrayal. And that's what that is. That's why Quisling got executed. That's why Judas is reviled. Betrayal, you know, someone that you're responsible for or are in a real relationship with and then you whip around and undercut the person, that's worse than like an invading army kind of situation. It feels that way to me.
And I think that's something we all kind of instinctively understand, which is why everyone has such a low opinion of traitors. Yes. You know, traitors are below dirt in terms of how we rank them. Now, disagreement, on the other hand, is not betrayal. And you can obviously disagree with someone who is a friend. And if you have a friend who demands that you never disagree with them,
Well, that's not really a friend. No. And the relationship you have with them is one of, it's not a friend relationship. It's a master-slave relationship. Right, it's a master, it's a subservient relationship. Exactly. And as men, we should not be in those kinds of relationships either. So you'd certainly disagree with someone.
And so I'm not talking about that, and that's important, because even what I'm saying right now, I know that Twitter's going to have fun with it, and they're going to say, oh, as you're saying, you can never disagree with a friend. Of course you can disagree with a friend. I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about what I have personally experienced.
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Chapter 5: What are the implications of food quality on daily life?
It's the same frozen food that comes off of the same truck and that is served in all these places, which is why all the food sucks and it all tastes the same because it's literally the same. People don't know that.
uh even pizza places again everything's frozen there's one i forget the name of it there's one cheese distributor that distributes most of the cheese at all these different places and that's like the crucial element of a pizza and it's literally the same it's the same thing and but they're just pretending that it's not so my point is that this is a small thing by the way it's not a small thing right so it's not what people eat is important yes it's quality of life it's your diet it's what you eat
It's, and that stuff really matters. Now, podcast hosts and pundits, a lot of them, why don't they care? Well, there's two reasons. Number one, they're not eating at these places. And if you have money, then you don't have to worry about that because you can go to expensive places where the steak costs $85 and it's not gonna hurt you much because you got a lot of money.
And if you have a lot of money, then you don't notice any of this because at the really fancy restaurants where people spend a lot of money, most of those places, are still making fresh food. And the service is a lot better because they're paying better wages to their waiters. Like now you've got older waiters and waitresses, but they're older who have kind of climbed with the ladder.
They're really good at this. They get paid better wages. They care about it. Like you go into one of these fancy places and I like eating it.
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Chapter 6: Why do some pundits ignore everyday issues?
I mean, who doesn't like eating at these kinds of restaurants? The food is good, but you go into it. And one of the first things you notice before you even get to the quality of the food is that everyone, at least in the good places, everyone that you interact with, starting at the hostess stand, seems to be really happy that you're there and they care that you're having a good experience.
That is not how it works when you go to Chili's. So anyway, these podcasts, these people that I'm talking about, They're in those places. And so they're not in the places where the quality is falling off a cliff. And then also, I think that... And this is something we all do, and I do it too. You get caught in this... We're dealing with like national issues all the time.
We're dealing with politics and what's happening in Washington and the president and geopolitics and what's happening. We're dealing with these massive, big things all the time. If you're a pundit, if you do commentary.
Chapter 7: How does socioeconomic status affect dining experiences?
And so you can fall into this line of thinking that. the things that actually impact someone's physical everyday life, those things are just too small to worry about. Well, politicians wind up at this exact place. And it's true that, because I run into this, when I start talking about this stuff, I will hear this criticism from people. They'll say, why are you talking about this?
I did a whole video on my channel a few weeks ago I did like a 30-minute monologue on why does restaurant food suck. And there are two interesting things that happened after I talked about this issue. One is that I did get a lot of criticism from people saying, everything's happening in the world, you're talking about Applebee's? Like, why are you talking about this?
It's like, how out of touch are you? When really it's the opposite. It's like, no, this is the stuff that's happening in people's lives. So I got that criticism, but then what I also noticed is that A lot of people watched that video. It was like one of the more successful in terms of traffic videos that I've done in a while. And it was just about food at Applebee's. And why is that?
It's because, again, this is your life. This is what's happening in your actual life. And it matters. It touches you. And it touches your family.
Yes, and this is, one thing I notice about a lot of people in the world that I have always lived in is they either spend time, and this is true for me, I'll admit it, they either spend time in very rich places or in very rural, like low income places. But there's no time spent in the middle, which is where the overwhelming majority of Americans live.
So it's like only rich people, only poor people, but no middle class people. So they have a sense of like You know, a lot of rich people have summer houses, so they sort of get the, you know, if you're on Nantucket, right, and you go there in the winter and everyone's on drugs, you're like, oh, wow. You know, fentanyl is a huge problem in our country. But there's no Applebee's.
There's no Applebee's in Cambridge, Mass. There's no Applebee's in Nantucket. There's no, do you see what I'm saying? You just, you do get a very, you know, I am so guilty of this. In fact, so guilty that I really go out of my way to like understand, you know, but there's no sense of like normalcy. Yeah.
It's also in the same way that like the richest people, Bill Gates, for example, are totally focused on curing African in Congo. I mean, curing malaria, polio. They're obsessed with the problems of the poorest while living the lives of the richest. But like the bulk of the population is invisible to them.
Yeah, I think that's right. I was having a conversation with someone recently who's in the business. And I don't know, I mentioned in passing I don't remember why.
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Chapter 8: What does it mean to be part of a civilizational identity?
I just mentioned a passing guy. I just had been to Walmart. I was buying something, whatever. I went to Walmart. And this person was that I'd gone to Walmart and they said, I haven't been in a Walmart in 20 years. Because there are no whites in Walmart.
That's the other thing. You drive into like middle America, I don't know what happened to all the whites, but are we allowed to say that? I just notice it. There's no whites at like a rest area on the highway anymore. And in Walmart, I go to buy sporting clays. That's my only shopping trip of the year usually. And it's like, where are all the white people?
That's part of the thing. I mean, it's a small thing, but it's emblematic of the problem. Well, there's just been total demographic change in the country. But as a commentator... if you have never been in a Walmart or, you know, it's like, well, then that's America. I mean, that's middle America. Oh, I totally agree.
So it's just, there's a basic, I'm not saying you gotta go and walk around a Walmart like a safari trip just to understand America. I'm just saying that it's just like, yeah, that's what's going on in America is in a place like that. And if you're just never there at all, to your point about either you're out in the sticks or you're in the really wealthy areas,
then you're not really in touch with what's actually happening in America. And one of those things is, yeah, you do notice this. When you go to the places where everybody goes, Walmart is one of those places, the DMV is one of those places, like a place where everybody has to go. Yeah. Unless they're very, very, very rich. Right. Or very, very, very poor.
When you go to those places, you do notice, you start noticing things. And one of those things is like, Yeah, it looks a lot different now. It's, yeah, not nearly as many white people as there used to be. You start noticing those kinds of things.
Like, yeah. You know, I've never been a bigot. It's prohibited by my religion. But I also think there's overwhelming pressure not to notice obvious things. And I try to keep myself... you know, alert just to notice what my eyes tell me. And that's the biggest change. That's an incredibly fast change. Incredibly fast change.
Not is not an accidental change was an intentional change to reduce the white population in the United States. And I've kind of never seen anybody more passively accept it. And I wonder, like, are we getting to where we can say that and notice it? And why is that good exactly? Well, for for every other
It's funny because certainly for every other race on the planet, if we were to look and see that in their native countries, they are dwindling and disappearing. There'd be nothing controversial about saying, well, this is bad. No one would say, well, why is it bad? I'm not even saying it's bad. I'm just saying it's so profound and abrupt. I will say, I think it's bad.
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